Dear Jha,
I am sorry, but I had to jump in AGAIN in this discussion. And I had to do
it to clarify at least one of my domains, the Latin American Institutions.I
am attaching my earlier response later, but again, from a scientific basis,
you can't compare schools like "Instituto Profesional DuocUC de la
Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile <http://www.duoc.cl>, Chile "
which is an institute [technical institute] with other schools in Chile
which are the real Universidad Pontificia Universidad
Católica<http://www.uc.cl>or Universidad
de Chile <http://www.uchile.cl/>, nor the Javeriana in Colombia with the
Andes, etc.
Just as an example: The Chilean ones are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, and are NOT
COMPARABLE institutions. Again, not nested in other higher education
centers, technical institutes like DUOC provide a 3 year degree [compared
to a BA in the States] and the other professional universities provide a 5
year diploma compared to the German Diplom or to a BA and MA in Design at
any major university. The latter, provide an extensive curricula that
allows you to jump into other schools like in the basic sciences,
management or the humanities. The technical institution doesn't.
On the other hand, again, the ranking is not representative of a universal
population. It has too many "blind spots" [kind of degrees, length of
studies, multidisciplinary platform, research grants, type of faculty,
relation with the companies, success of graduated students, being design or
engineering? or even art, Accredited, etc.) . But, again, a bunch of Latin
American institutions would never fall in a ranking like this [and I am
saying this being part of one of them]. First, there about 10 big design
schools from Europe and the States that are obviously missing.
I suggest to everybody to be a bit more careful when presenting their
feelings through names and "statements" that you're putting forward. *The
best universities are not just the ones "we know" or we are familiar with.
The best universities depend on the parameters we establish for the ranking
we are providing. And that becomes the bias of the researcher.* In my case,
researching these matters, I am not a friend of rankings. Please read my
letter below.
"*First, most programs are not comparable [because of the sub-disciplines
they involve, the distinction of their training, the facilities, the
tuition, the orientation, etc]. A bunch of them not even accredited or they
don't even give "degrees"! Second, the amount of scholars with PhD, or with
outstanding practice is not even taken in consideration. Not even the
amount of programs accredited, the multidisciplinary overall platform of
the school they are nested in or the amount of grants....
As an individual studying these matters, I feel that mass media is selling
an obvious a "lie" or a partial truth. Nothing scientific in this [not that
they claim it to be] but I believe that it is our duty as a discipline to
come forward and give a* * reality check on things like this. This is not
far from buying whatever "Reality TV sells: opium for the people*".
*
Constanza Miranda-Mendoza*
PhD (c) NCSU Design-Anthropology
Instructor Design Engineering at PUC Chile
VR@Stanford CDR (designXLab)
www.innovacionsocial.cl
@designforsocial <http://www.facebook.com/designforsocialinnovation>
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On 27 November 2012 09:35, Jha Santosh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear List Members,
>
> A primary question came in my mind while reading this great research
> based article ”The World's 25 Best Design Schools” at
> (
> http://www.businessinsider.com/the-worlds-25-best-design-schools-2012-11?op=1)-
> which is focused over institutions, geographically located in European
> and USA only.
>
> If I am not wrong, the term-“World” includes all five major continents
> of our earth. So, Asia, Australia, South America, Africa like other
> great continents are still-unexplored by the writer. I am wishing him
> to suggest,- please don’t ignore these zones. These are also equally
> important for the existence of Design with regional equality.
>
> There are several Design Schools with their strong presence in these
> continents, like-
> 1. Asia: Indian Institute of Crafts and Design, India; National
> Institute of Design, India; Indian Institute of Technology, India;
> Pakistan Institute of Fashion and Design, Pakistan; and School of
> Design & Environment of NUS, Singapore.
> 2. Australia: Australian Academy of Design; Faculty of Design of
> Swinburne University of Technology; The Australian Institute of
> Creative Design and Whitehouse Institute of Design, Australia.
> 3. Latin America: Instituto Profesional DuocUC de la Pontificia
> Universidad Catolica de Chile, Chile; Universidad de los Andes,
> Colombia; Universidad El Bosque, Colombia and Universidad Jorge Tadeo
> Lozano, Colombia.
> 4. Africa: Cape Peninsula University of Technology, South Africa and
> University of Botswana, Botswana.
>
> What is the opinion of yours...?
>
> On 11/27/12, Ken Friedman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Hi, Karen,
> >
> > If I understand this correctly, you seem to be offended because you
> believe
> > that some of the jokes posted to the list were aimed at you personally
> or at
> > Singapore as a nation. This is not so.
> >
> > Rob poked fun at the method used to compile the rankings. He suggested
> that
> > the method used to compile this ranking was so unreliable that one might
> > just as well have bribed the journalists or bought them coffee to
> influence
> > their opinions. No one suggested that you would do such a thing. This was
> > about the rankings, not about you.
> >
> > Chris responded by pointing out that the rankings are even more foolish
> than
> > this. They don’t seem to recognize that they have ranked the same school
> > twice under slightly different names. Chris’s joke responded to Rob’s
> > comments on the methodological inadequacies of the rankings. She said
> > nothing about you or Singapore, either.
> >
> > None of these comments slight the Republic of Singapore as a nation.
> > Singapore has achieved economic miracles linked with one of the world’s
> best
> > education systems. Singapore’s design network is second to none. The use
> of
> > design in Singaporean business and industry is widely respected among
> those
> > who follow these issues.
> >
> > The rankings cover schools, not nations. The list is narrow and
> parochial.
> > The method was inadequate for getting information about the world’s best
> > design schools. Rather than using a broad global survey or an expert
> panel,
> > the magazine surveyed a self-selected list of readers from one nation.
> The
> > resulting list covers the US schools where self-selected respondents
> > graduated rather than covering all US design schools. With respect to
> > ranking the world’s best design schools, therefore, the notions of sample
> > size and statistical significance is silly. That’s what Rob and Chris
> were
> > talking about.
> >
> > After your reply, below, I reviewed the entire thread again. No one
> insulted
> > you or Singapore. The list is about schools, not nations. And no one
> > suggested that you would ever bribe a journalist. (And a cup of coffee
> would
> > not be much of a bribe.)
> >
> > Singapore has a strong reputation in education, industry, manufacturing,
> and
> > design. No onewould bribe a journalist to write what nearly everyone
> already
> > knows. The entire world recognizes what the Republic of Singapore has
> > achieved.
> >
> > Any list of well-educated people such as you find here will include many
> who
> > respect and admire Singapore. I am one of them, and I’d guess the same of
> > Chris and Rob. Rather than misinterpreting a modest joke, it would have
> been
> > helpful if you had simply asked them what they meant. My guess is that
> > they’d have been happy to explain it – and that there was no intention of
> > insulting you or Singapore.
> >
> > Yours,
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > Professor Ken Friedman, PhD, DSc (hc), FDRS | University Distinguished
> > Professor | Swinburne University of Technology | Melbourne, Australia |
> > [log in to unmask] | Phone +61 3 9214 6102 |
> > http://www.swinburne.edu.au/design
> >
> >
> > —snip—
> >
> > I personally have little regard to anyone who is distinguished or not,
> if I
> > genuinely feel offended. I simply make my point through sharp and clear.
> I
> > was and am taking this joke as serious. Not the ranking, as I have
> written
> > earlier that I would *laugh* at it. The ranking was the laughable part,
> not
> > the remarks thereafter.
> >
> > So who is the number 5, if I buy the journalists coffee? That was the the
> > thought. Then came someone’s else’s remark they were at number 19 and 25.
> > Not very nice, isn’t it?
> >
> > For the flat response, I don’t buy anyone coffee for anything. I believe
> in
> > only one thing: if you buy off someone for a deal, chances are you will
> not
> > be respected. I can be small and tiny but I will never buy coffee, lunch
> or
> > expensive dinner to get where I want to be or where my tiny country
> wants to
> > be. To me, buying coffee to be placed at number 5 (after the list of 4
> > countries that I have stated) is insult to the core. And I must speak up.
> >
> > This is no small joke as it implies my country needs to buy coffee to be
> > placed after the four countries in the best design countries in the
> world.
> >
> > —snip—
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Regards,
> संतोष झा | Santosh Jha
> Senior Designer,
> Department of Leather Goods & Accessory Design
> Footwear Design & Development Institute
> (Ministry of Commerce & Industries, Government of India)
> __________________________________
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Instructor D-Engineering INGPUC Chile
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