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Re: Re-evaluation of Pinterest

From:

James Morley <[log in to unmask]>

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Museums Computer Group <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 2 Oct 2012 21:37:44 +0100

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My first instinct was "of course not" but I thought I'd best test my
cynicism, and found some slightly confusing results (though my tests were
quick and crude).

First I used the Pinterest site to upload an image that I knew had IPTC
data. See http://pinterest.com/pin/11188699045480037/. The displayed image
appears to have lost all IPTC data.

I then set up a simple web page at
http://www.jamesmorley.net/temp/pinterest.htm with the original jpg,
complete with IPTC data, displayed. When I pinned that it seems to have
kept the Creator and Description fields, but lost some other fields that
had been set - http://pinterest.com/pin/11188699045480138/

As an aside, I also uploaded the original image to Flickr. Flickr used the
IPTC data to set visible titles, description, tags etc, as well as setting
those values into what it calls the 'exif' information. Oddly it didn't use
the data-taken IPTC field to set that though. See
http://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthatpicture/8048204244/meta/in/photostream(the
rest of the data there has come from the custom metadata added by the
Nikon camera). What then happened though is that the image files
themselves, apart from the 'original' at
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/8048204244_fb5d3451a3_o_d.jpg, lose the
IPTC info. As such, if you then pin the actual Flickr page Pinterest loses
the IPTC info - http://pinterest.com/pin/11188699045480073/

Not sure what that proves, but I thought I'd share! Can someone point me to
an online collection that does have good IPTC data embedded and I'll try
this out on some real-life examples.

James




On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Angela Murphy <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> It would also be useful to know whether Pinterest preserves embedded
> metadata so that images retain the information about their provenance and
> rights when it has been embedded in IPTC image headers.
>
> It is vitally important that everyone embeds this information in their
> images when they are publishing  them anywhere outside their internal
> domains otherwise they are contributing to the milliard issues arising from
> 'orphan works' that float around the online world without any link back to
> their creators or sources.
>
> Links have an unhappy tendency to get broken - embedded information needs
> to be retained within the images themselves......
>
> best wishes
>
> Angela Murphy
> Consultant
> Image Management and Rights Clearance
>
> The Image Business
> 21 Leamington Road Villas
> Notting Hill
> London W11 1HS
> Tel: +44-(0)20-77274920
> Mob: +44-(0)7973-820020
>
> email: [log in to unmask]
> http://about.me/angelamurphy
>
> On 2 Oct 2012, at 12:24, Tim Trent wrote:
>
> > Chaps, thank you for this confirmation. I'm a cautious bloke with
> copyright items when I am the custodian of other people's copyright. With
> the attribution intact I feel content to take the brake off for others and
> also to start using it ourselves.
> >
> > I'm in the process of making the necessary changes to the site as I
> write this note.
> >
> > On 2 Oct 2012, at 10:40, James Morley wrote:
> >
> >> And don't forget it's easy to see what's been pinned from a domain
> >> (including the ones you've pinned yourself!) e.g.
> >> http://pinterest.com/source/shop.kew.org/
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Paul Shackleton <
> [log in to unmask]>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes, one click on the image and you get the single image focus view
> and it
> >>> tells you where the image was pinned from, second click on the image
> and
> >>> you are taken to the original.
> >>>
> >>> Paul Shackleton
> >>> Collections Systems Administrator
> >>> DCMS
> >>> x. 2359
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Tim Trent <[log in to unmask]> 02/10/2012 09:53 >>>
> >>> I think the time has come for Dartmouth Museum to re-evaluate
> Pinterest.
> >>> The only reason we were opposed to allowing our images to be pinned is
> that
> >>> the initial implementation of Pinterest broke the link between the
> source
> >>> image and the pinned image. Thus attribution was lost.
> >>>
> >>> This is important to us since we display on
> http://dartmouthmuseum.orgsome images with permission of the copyright
> owner, and we had concerns
> >>> that breaking the link between source site and the pinned image would
> fail
> >>> to honour the intentions of the copyright owner when granting us
> permission
> >>> to publish the images.
> >>>
> >>> I've recently become aware that Pinterest appears no longer to break
> the
> >>> link. If this is so then we can re-evaluate and come to a different
> >>> decision about allowing our images to be pinned.
> >>>
> >>> Ignoring completely the argument over the desirability or not of
> images to
> >>> be shared widely (I bet you can't!) are folk able to confirm that, in
> >>> practice, Pinterest creates an unbreakable link between the original
> >>> picture and the pinned image nowadays, please?
> >>> Tim Trent - Consultant
> >>> Tel: +44 (0)7710 126618
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James Morley
www.jamesmorley.net / @jamesinealing
www.whatsthatpicture.com / @PhotosOfThePast
www.apennypermile.com

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