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Re: FW: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 10 - discussion

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Helen Doyle <[log in to unmask]>

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Helen Doyle <[log in to unmask]>

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Oh! thanks for clarifying - I hadn't realised this.

HelenD.

Helen Doyle
Assistant Librarian
 
Royal Academy of Dance
36 Battersea Square
London
SW11 3RA
0207 326 8032


>>> Gordon Dunsire <[log in to unmask]> 10/25/2012 3:48 pm >>>
All

RDA does not use "core" to mean "mandatory". Rather, "core" is defined in
terms of minimal support for the FRBR user tasks (find, identify, select,
etc.).

RDA expects user communities to develop "application profiles". Although
this is a term from the linked data environment, it can be applied more
generally. An application profile specifies what elements constitute a
record, whether they are mandatory or repeatable, and if and how they are
aggregated.

For example, the ISBD Review Group is currently developing a profile for the
exchange of records for national bibliographies. The profile is based on the
structure of ISBD, which is optimized for such exchange, but is
cross-related to RDA elements and instructions.

So one community may choose to record only the first creator as an entity,
and say so in its application profile, while another may decide to record
all creators, and another may well decide to apply the AACR2 rule and
restrict the repeatability of the entity to one, two, three, or first of
four, etc.

I think it's great that RDA allows this.

Cheers

Gordon


-----Original Message-----
From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen
Doyle
Sent: 25 October 2012 15:19
To: [log in to unmask] 
Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] FW: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 10 - discussion

It seems an odd thing to do, especially
a) given that RDA does away with the Rule of Three (ie. allowing/encouraging
you to transcribe everyone and make access points for all of them)
b) I was under the impression that one of RDA's strengths would be dealing
with things like webpages where multiple people contribute (or is this a
mixed responsibility issue?). In a digital world it is not so commonly the
case that *an* item has *one* (or two) distinct author(s) - things are much
more fluid now.

HelenD.


Helen Doyle
Assistant Librarian
 
Royal Academy of Dance
36 Battersea Square
London
SW11 3RA
0207 326 8032


>>> "Jackie Johnson (Library Services)" <[log in to unmask]> 10/25/2012
3:10 pm >>>
Yes am surprised by this too. For people's edification I append LC-PCC PS
edict on this:



LC practice for Core element when there is more than one creator: After
satisfying the RDA core requirement, catalogers may provide additional
authorized access points according to cataloger's judgment.



So looks as if that really is the RDA Core element, or that's how I read it.





Jackie Johnson

Metadata Coordinator

University of Birmingham

Edgbaston

Birmingham

B15 2TT

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0121-414-2767



Please note I do not work Mondays

-----Original Message-----
From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen
Doyle
Sent: 25 October 2012 15:02
To: [log in to unmask] 
Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 10 - discussion



Record no. 10 was the first one I tackled, and I was really surprised by RDA
19.2's instruction "If there is more than one creator responsible for the
work...[and]...if principal responsibility is not indicated, only the
first-named creator is required".



Does this mean that if I choose, I'm *allowed* to not mention Sue Batley!?



cf.  AACR2's 21.6C1 which gives specific instructions to make an added-entry
in such cases.



(disclaimer: it would obviously be a most unhelpful cataloguer who went down
this route, but the RDA wording seemed to suggest it)



HelenD.





Helen Doyle

Assistant Librarian

Royal Academy of Dance

36 Battersea Square

London

SW11 3RA

0207 326 8032





>>> Helen Williams <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
10/25/2012 2:50 pm >>>

Yes, I was just writing an email to say the same thing.  I wouldn't think to
add this in a MARC record, and like the way RDA allows for these kinds of
links, though as we mentioned earlier today, I'm wondering about how far to
go with this, and the time it would add to cataloguing a resource.



Helen







From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lee,
Deborah

Sent: 25 October 2012 14:50

To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>

Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 10





Vanessa: I like your related work field ... It has made me think about this
...





Deborah Lee

Senior cataloguer

Book Library

Courtauld Institute of Art

Somerset House

Strand

London WC2R 0RN



Telephone: 020 7848 2905

Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>



Now on at The Courtauld Gallery:





Peter Lely: A Lyrical Vision



11 October 2012 - 13 January 2013





From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Freedman,
Vanessa

Sent: 25 October 2012 14:44

To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>

Subject: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 10





Here's record 10. I found this one fairly straightforward, but maybe I
missed something...





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