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Re: Record 8 - discussion

From:

Bernadette Mary O'Reilly <[log in to unmask]>

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Bernadette Mary O'Reilly <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 25 Oct 2012 12:37:49 +0100

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There is an option to abridge titles at 2.3.1.4, and other title
information isn't core so you could in principle omit the lot. LC don't
give OTI of collective titles if part information follows. Presumably
if you decided to omit this as (possibly) OTI you would then be free to
enter the relevant bits as edition designation.

Best wishes,
Bernadette

*******************
Bernadette O'Reilly
Catalogue Support Librarian
01865 2-77134
Bodleian Libraries,
Osney One Building
Osney Mead
Oxford OX2 0EW.
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-----Original Message-----
From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Freedman, Vanessa
Sent: 25 October 2012 12:28
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8 - discussion

This is relevant for some older Hebrew books, where the title page can
often be a kind of blurb - AACR2 gives you the option to abridge lengthy
other title information, but I can't see this in RDA - though I may be
missing it.

Vanessa

Vanessa Freedman
Hebrew & Jewish Studies Librarian
UCL Library Services
University College London
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-----Original Message-----
From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Bernadette Mary O'Reilly
Sent: 25 October 2012 12:17
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8 - discussion

I don't feel too happy about putting a lot of weight on that example.
I'm not sure why the phrase was taken to be OTI rather than an edition
statement - perhaps something to do with the layout?

The statement in Example 8 is verging on blurb/advertising. Since it
contained edition information I just extracted that. Otherwise I would
have seriously considered treating it as a quoted note rather than as
any kind of title information. I don't have very strong feelings in
this case, but I'm sure we will come across examples where there are
much, much longer and more blurbish statements between the title proper
and the statement of responsibility and I would be very reluctant to
treat them as title information.

Best wishes,
Bernadette

*******************
Bernadette O'Reilly
Catalogue Support Librarian
01865 2-77134
Bodleian Libraries,
Osney One Building
Osney Mead
Oxford OX2 0EW.
*******************


-----Original Message-----
From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen
Doyle
Sent: 25 October 2012 12:04
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8 - discussion

Edition statement:

RDA 2.5.2.6 has an example (4th one down) which I used as the rationale
behind this one.
"If edition statement is integral to other title information, record it
as such and do not record a further designation of edition".

The 4th example says "a revised and augmented edition of...", so I took
that. However, I then can't include 'fully revised and updated' as I'm
not allowed to include another edition statement.

BUT I object to treating this as a subtitle!! Feels wrong on so many
levels!

HelenD.

Helen Doyle
Assistant Librarian
 
Royal Academy of Dance
36 Battersea Square
London
SW11 3RA
0207 326 8032


>>> Helen Williams <[log in to unmask]> 10/25/2012 11:59 am >>>
Hi Helen

I was very unsure about your first point too. In the end I didn't put it
as a subtitle, because I'd effectively recorded the same information in
the designation of edition, and in note on title...
But I wasn't convinced that was correct.

Helen



-----Original Message-----
From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen
Doyle
Sent: 25 October 2012 11:54
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8

No. 8.

Issues:
1) is that edition statement a subtitle?? (I have lots of notes going
back-and-forth on this!)
2) I went with previous editions being related expressions - ?

HelenD.



Helen Doyle
Assistant Librarian
 
Royal Academy of Dance
36 Battersea Square
London
SW11 3RA
0207 326 8032


>>> Wendy Taylor <[log in to unmask]> 10/25/2012 11:50 am >>>
Wendy (RNIB)


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