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Re: Friday food for thought - Cookies

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Ian Griffiths <[log in to unmask]>

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Ian Griffiths <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 29 Sep 2012 23:58:43 +0100

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Again, I don't see that a user of the internet needs to know about how 
cookies work.  My mum shops online, she cares about her privacy but she 
doesn't want or need to understand the process sufficiently well in order to 
shop.  The vast majority of browsing public have a right to have their 
privacy protected but shouldn't therefore be required to educate themselves 
with what is going on.  The manufacturer of my car wasn't required by law to 
have me understand how an engine works and I'm glad they weren't, a high 
level understanding of the fact I get in and it goes is enough for me.

The pretence is fine - people should make informed decisions about the 
amount of information they disclose online.

The problem is that if a site takes the view that the user should be 
consulted about all cookie storage - then they have to ask the user whether 
they want to store cookies or not.

Should the user say yes - all is (relatively) fine - you store their answer, 
you use cookies, the site behaves as normal.

Should the user say no - you can't store the no answer anywhere.  You can't 
set a cookie because that option has just been removed from you.  You can't 
log something on IP or user agent (browser) because those are shared.  You 
therefore need to ask people each time they go there whether they want 
cookies or not, and each time they need to tell you know, because there is 
no persistence in the answer implicit in the protocol and the legislation 
has forbade you to integrate any.

Even if they say yes and you silence the question in the short term, that 
yes answer will not be returned if they use a different device or if after a 
time the cookie is removed or expired.

So you end up asking them the question lots of times regardless of how they 
answer.  Which is annoying.

Then you ask the question of what is being stored anyway.  If you're 
authenticating a user, you're probably storing their username and some other 
things relating to the session.  All of which is provided by the user, and 
therefore can be conditionally supplied subject to principle 1.  You might 
even go so far as assuming that them having provided a username permits you 
to refer to them with that name and the fact they want some relationship 
with your web site permits you to administer that relationship.  I would 
imagine most people understand that if they supply a username, the site will 
use it as part of their authentication to that site.

I think its very dangerous that there is somewhat of a lack of understanding 
across a lot of camps, and that translates in to poorly drafted legislation 
and vague guidance.

I'm all for privacy but please, employ someone with a grasp of the technical 
issues.

Ian




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sandeep Das" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [data-protection] Friday food for thought - Cookies

I never said that the consumer is educated. I said that there is a need to 
make him/her educated

And I would question why this legislation is annoying

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