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Re: Help with bone id please

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Dear Julia: I have also been going around on a difficult phalanx I.D.
also, which has caused me to examine all the possibilities you've
mentioned with the help of the excellent comparative osteological
collections at the University of Kansas. On this basis, I can tell you
that:

(1) The bone is certainly not a phalanx from a bird's wing. The only
separate phalanx that any bird has in its wing, i.e. distal to the
carpometacarpus, is quite differently shaped. By private EMail I will in a
moment sent you an image of the 1st phalanx from the wing of a crane, Grus
grus -- could also send you a swan, they both being large birds; and then
you shall compare them yourself and see.

(2) The bone is also not a phalanx from the leg of a bird. Almost all
birds, even those that walk flat-footed such as swans or geese, have
phalanges that curve fairly strongly downward. Of course eagles and
gyrfalcons and big vultures and buzzards that have talons have phalanges
that are quite markedly bowed.

(3) The bone might be human, but before I'd want to bet my hat on that,
I'd want to sit down directly with a human skeleton. Of particular note is
the shallowly bifacial proximal articular surface, and the rather
asymmetrical distal articulation, i.e. the lobes which form the medial vs.
lateral parts of the distal articulation are of rather different size.
This leads me to....

(4) The possibility that this is the phalanx of a bear. Bear paws
notorously look like human hands. The asymmetry of the distal articulation
of your specimen tells me that the digits were angled outward, i.e.
laterally, relative to an axis which would bisect the radius. So I'd sure
have a look-see at a bear.

Look for my EMail in a few moments, Julia, and also my sympathies....my
mystery phalanx might embarassingly turn out to be a 2nd phalanx from a
piglet, but then again, it might also be an African tortoise. We have yet
to see! Cheers (ain't zooarch fun) -- Deb Bennett

> Dear all,
>
> Many thanks to all those who replied again. I am fairly happy now that the
> bone is the distal phalanx from the wing of a (very) large bird.
>
> The only large bird reference I have immediately available to me is a
> greylag goose. While the distal phalanx of this specimen is the best match
> I have found for the bone, the species is clearly not correct, the mystery
> bone is a little longer and much more robust. If anyone has any further
> suggestions I would be grateful to hear them.
>
> However in the mean time I am happy that it is fairly certainly not human,
> which was my main concern at this stage.
>
> Many thanks again for all your help.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Julia
>
>
>
>
> Julia Cussans
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>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: J.H. Yvinec
>   To: 'Julia Cussans' ; [log in to unmask]
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 1:07 PM
>   Subject: RE: [ZOOARCH] Help with bone id please
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>
>   Hello
>
>   All the bones have this "taphonomic" appearance ? I ask this because lot
> of human bones have it. And my first think was human Ph.
>
>   Cheers
>
>
>
>   JHY
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>   J.H. Yvinec
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>   De : Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] De la part de Julia Cussans
>   Envoyé : mercredi 29 août 2012 13:32
>   À : [log in to unmask]
>   Objet : Re: [ZOOARCH] Help with bone id please
>
>
>
>   Hello again,
>
>
>
>   Many thanks to those of you who have sent suggestions as to what my
> mystery bone might be, it is proving to be somewhat of a conundrum!
>
>
>
>   A couple of people have suggested that this might be human metapodial or
> phalange. This was my first thought but having had a look through the
> reference material available to me and several photos on the internet I
> could not find a match. Is there anyone out there who is more familiar
> with human bones who could perhaps confirm or refute this possibility?
>
>
>
>   Another possible suggestion is that it may be the phalange of a large
> bird, again if anyone has any further comments on this I would be
> interested to know.
>
>
>
>   Hyoid has also been suggested but I think given that it appears to have
> articular ends this is unlikely.
>
>
>
>   Having had a look through some very poorly reproduced drawings of wolf
> foot bones I had thought that 1st metatarsal may have been a
> possibility, possibly of a large dog or wolf - again if anyone has
> anyone has reference material they can compare my photos with and offer
> an opinion I would be most grateful.
>
>
>
>   The link to the photos is still present in the email below.
>
>
>
>   Many thanks,
>
>
>
>   Julia
>
>
>
>
>
>   Julia Cussans
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>     ----- Original Message -----
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>     From: Julia Cussans
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>     To: [log in to unmask]
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>     Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:34 AM
>
>     Subject: [ZOOARCH] Help with bone id please
>
>
>
>     Hello All,
>
>
>
>     Can anyone help me identify this bone? I think it should be some sort
> of metapodial, but that is as far as I have got. I have uploaded some
> photos onto zoobook. All suggestions welcome.
>
>
>     http://zooarchaeology.ning.com/photo/albums/mystery-bone-from-enf129454
>
>
>
>     Many thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
>     Julia
>
>
>     Julia Cussans
>     Project Officer(Osteoarchaeology)
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