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Re: Deleuze and complex systems theory

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David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>

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Poetryetc: poetry and poetics

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Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:46:38 +0100

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Chris

PS I've come across a wee paper on The Virtual and the Ether (that is Kant
and Deleuze) - I don't know if it will interest you but it's at:

http://dundee.academia.edu/BethLord/Papers/264239/The_Virtual_and_the_Ether_Transcendental_Empiricism_In_Kants_Opus_Postumum

On 16 August 2012 08:06, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Had a quick, preliminary read, Chris, and enjoyed it.
>
> I liked:
>
>
> (Gilles Deleuze) My aim is to arrive at a fabulous conception of time.
>
> *Comptesse: *inaudible comment
>
>
> :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 16 August 2012 07:26, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> Thanks Chris, I'll take a careful look at that when I can. I am afraid I
>> am all too familiar with crude materialists, from the receiving end of
>> power. I know about Marx or Marxism being used by capitalist propagandists,
>> perhaps what is more pertinent here is how much poetry is used likewise.
>> From postmodernistas through to poetry slams to the cult of the trivial.
>>
>> On 15 August 2012 23:05, chris Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/08/12 16:29, David Bircumshaw wrote:
>>>
>>>> given
>>>> Deleuze's supposed credentials)  like contemporary bourgeois managerial
>>>>
>>>
>>> Capitalism will always adapt ideas to suit it's needs, even Marx gets
>>> drawn into this. I recently heard a research paper on accounting that used
>>> Marx. The imperial nature of capitalism. Beware of, and this is not an
>>> insulting term, crude materialist and simple empiricist observations. This
>>> Marx warns again, esp after his break with Aristotle, end of Cap Vol 1 Ch 1.
>>>
>>> Deleuze doesn't write for a supposed socialist future, that would be
>>> Utopian. He is writing for the time and takes Marx seriously when Marx says
>>> all philosophy is idealist. The virtual is Idea or ideal or I. It is also
>>> D's transcendental, which is not a priori, since virtual comes after,
>>>  hence his importance since her was the first to develop this logic. (The
>>> analytic philosopher read and use him, as do quite a few scientists.)
>>>
>>> I can't understand Dominic's comments, they appear to be returning to
>>> Aristotle's categories, which I know he doesn't intend, maybe this is a
>>> consequence of DeLanda? Also, not being able to take into account
>>> difference. Don't trust DeLanda, Zizek or oter writers on Deleuze, they are
>>> doing their own thing, rather then explaining Deleuze. I would say the same
>>> of Badiou who is concerned with Virtual as monist.
>>>
>>> Deleuze has a cruel rigorous logic so there is little to gain by
>>> attempting to break it.
>>>
>>> Zekek in notorious for his misreading and his understanding desire as
>>> idealist marks his own idealism, which he mistakes as materialism. However
>>> many philosophers writing today do use Deleuze for their own writing. This
>>> is not unusual. Ray Brassier has a question which he thinks Deleuze slides
>>> over too quickly and is working on this.
>>>
>>>  Deleuze uses Kant's critique in his discussion of dx (DR) which is not
>>> derived from x (differntial mathematics derives it proof from X ) and the
>>> problem and Idea in Kant. Philosophers don't solve a problem and move onto
>>> the next one, the problems remain with the question.
>>>
>>> I may paste a discussion of the virtual and actual, from Difference and
>>> Repetition, into my blog on narrative POV, after checking, but fear it is
>>> very heavy going.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately there is no easy way to understand Deleuze then to closely
>>> read the texts. Not an undertaking to take lightly, Especially Difference
>>> and Repition, Logic of Sense and A Thousand Plateaus.
>>>
>>> The below url is a transcipt of D's lecture on Kant... (He wrote the
>>> text book)
>>>
>>>  http://www.webdeleuze.com/php/**texte.php?cle=66&groupe=Kant&**langue=2<http://www.webdeleuze.com/php/texte.php?cle=66&groupe=Kant&langue=2>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David Joseph Bircumshaw
>> **
>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk
>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
>> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
>> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/
>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> David Joseph Bircumshaw
> **
> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk
> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/
> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com
>
>


-- 
David Joseph Bircumshaw
**
Website and A Chide's Alphabet
http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk
The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/
Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com

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