I don't think there's anything wrong this discussion, it's an
important (and interesting) topic.
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Daniel Friderichs
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> Could you please have this chat someplace else!
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> On 25 Jul 2012, at 16:03, Richard Morrisroe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> So do I.
>>
>> The really depressing part is that the public funds the work,
>> scientists carry it out, scientists review the papers (for free), edit
>> the papers and do almost everything related to the work, then
>> publishers put it on a website, print paper copies (that very few
>> people read) and charge through the nose for it.
>>
>> Its also worth noting that as soon as you leave the cozy confines of
>> academia (as I did a month ago), then your access completely
>> disappears, making all of your investment in learning to read
>> scientific articles almost entirely worthless.
>>
>> If you care about this, then please attempt to publish everything you
>> write in open access journals.
>>
>> On 25 July 2012 15:38, Clare Sutherland <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I completely agree. Since the public are paying for us to carry out
>>> research, the research should be freely available to the public too.
>>> Otherwise, how elitist is science?
>>>
>>> For example, I have a friend who is a teacher, and she says she would like
>>> to show her pupils actual articles, but since she doesn't have a
>>> subscription, she isn't always able to show them the ones she wants.
>>>
>>> Anyway, interesting thoughts,
>>>
>>>
>>> Clare
>>>
>>> Department of Psychology
>>> University of York
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25 Jul 2012, at 15:07, Jon Bishop FRSA wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ben,
>>>
>>> I'm a member of CILIP - soon to be chartered.
>>>
>>> I would say the problem of lack of university access to journal papers and
>>> the money wasted on Inter-library loans is economically unsustainable.
>>>
>>> When I get my Chartership (MCLIP), as I'm based in Wales, I'm going to call
>>> for a new 'National Library for Wales', which is constituted as a learned
>>> society and which all the universities, colleges and local authorities sell
>>> their libraries and stock off to. This would make Wales to true "Learning
>>> Country" as if it was signed up to things like eduroam it would mean that
>>> anyone in Wales could access the Internet from any library in the country.
>>> Also, it would help integration of students into their communities as local
>>> people would be going into the same buildings as the university and college
>>> students.
>>>
>>> In 2010 I was enrolled at three universities - the OU, Aberystwyth and UWIC
>>> (Cardiff Met), and even then I could not get everything I wanted. So I think
>>> if this new National Library for Wales led to a single subscription for the
>>> whole of Wales then it would be better able to manage the demand for
>>> particular materials.
>>>
>>> So if universities were not the islands that they are and were part of the
>>> community in more than just lip-service then problems where people need to
>>> access papers their university do not have could be reduced through what I
>>> call "co-operative advantage".
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jonathan Bishop FBCS CITP
>>> Master of Economic and Social Science in Information Systems
>>>
>>> On 25 July 2012 11:55, Ben Haysom-Newport <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If someone from this list used their institutional library they broke the
>>>> law, and I'm sure the new Chair - Fleur Michelle think - would not condone
>>>> the use of this list to do that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best Wishes
>>>> Ben Haysom-Newport MSc, BSc (Hons), MBPsS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 25 July 2012 11:51, Clare Carty <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for all the responses. I have received the paper
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Clare Carty
>>>>>
>>>>> Postgraduate Research Student
>>>>> School of Psychology
>>>>> Queen's University Belfast
>>>>> Belfast
>>>>> BT7 1NN
>>>>>
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: Clare Carty
>>>>> Sent: 25 July 2012 11:35
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: PAPER NEEDED ASAP
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello. If anyone has access to this article could they please send me a
>>>>> copy. It's the only study of its kind and crucial to my research in social
>>>>> attention. I have had no success in gaining access to it. I am hoping
>>>>> someone out there will.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'How Children With Specific Language Impairment View Social Situations:
>>>>> An Eye Tracking Study'
>>>>>
>>>>> Author(s): Hosozawa, M (Hosozawa, Mariko); Tanaka, K (Tanaka, Kyoko)1;
>>>>> Shimizu, T (Shimizu, Toshiaki); Nakano, T (Nakano, Tamami)2,3,4; Kitazawa, S
>>>>> (Kitazawa, Shigeru)2,3,4
>>>>>
>>>>> Source: PEDIATRICS
>>>>>
>>>>> Volume: 129
>>>>>
>>>>> Issue: 6
>>>>>
>>>>> Pages: E1453-E1460
>>>>>
>>>>> DOI: 10.1542/peds.2011-2278
>>>>>
>>>>> Published: JUN 2012
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Clare
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Clare Carty
>>>>>
>>>>> Postgraduate Research Student
>>>>> School of Psychology
>>>>> Queen's University Belfast
>>>>> Belfast
>>>>> BT7 1NN
>>>>>
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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