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Re: Policies on depositing MS Word files

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Simeon Warner <[log in to unmask]>

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Simeon Warner <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:49:35 -0400

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I think Tim's summary is right on the money. There are problems with all 
three formats (docx, TeX and PDF) being discussed.

At arXiv approximately 90% of our 75k submissions/year come as TeX 
source. We put very significant effort into maintaining a TeX processing 
system that can process the ~700k article historical corpus of TeX 
documents. This has a set of different style/class trees to deal with 20 
years of articles. Every time we change TeX version or revamp the 
style/class trees there is an extensive regression test process 
involving checking that we can still process the whole corpus, and 
visual inspections of a significant number of processed PDFs. (A nice 
part of this story is that prior to 1996, before PDF was widely used, we 
had the option of collecting TeX source or 300dpi PostScript from users. 
Because we took the TeX source we can now produce high quality PDF from 
these articles as opposed to being stuck with horrible PDF generated 
from low bitmap PostScript).

For a while we accepted docx submissions and had a back-end system for 
processing them to PDF. We were unable to get/maintain this processing 
system such that the output had reliable fidelity. We frequently had to 
contact submitters out-of-band to get them to generate a PDF on their 
system and mail it to us, which was unsustainable. We now request PDF 
generated by the user (would be nice if they submitted PDF/A...).

Approximately 10% of arXiv submissions are PDF, generated from Word and 
other systems. A small but non-negligible fraction of PDF documents have 
rendering problems (e.g. fonts not included, different rendering with 
different software, local font substitution,..). Still probably the best 
baseline option but by no means perfect.

While I agree that adoption of a much simpler and more "sematics rather 
than format oriented language" such as HTML would likely be good, I 
can't see that happening widely in the near future. And, if it did then 
users would do everything within their power to use it to get exactly 
the format they want, ignoring any semantic conventions and relying on 
quirks of the browser they see it rendered in... reducing eventual 
fidelity on other environments.

I agree that source (Word, TeX, etc.) plus PDF is the best strategy at 
present.

Cheers,
Simeon

On 7/27/12 5:42 AM, Tim Brody wrote:
> There are several aspects to how useful a format is for digital
> preservation:
> 1) Is the format itself open and well-defined, such that multiple products
> exist that can render the contents accurately
> 2) Is the format "lossy" (either in semantics or quality)
> 3) Most importantly, how widely used is the format - big herds have better
> survival rates
>
> I'm on the mailing list for poppler PDF, which is the most popular PDF
> library on Linux. You may be surprised by the difficulty of rendering PDF
> reliably, indeed they often have to refer to the *implementation* in Adobe
> Reader to decide how a particular PDF feature should look. But you can say
> with confidence that PDF can be rendered (near 100%) accurately on all
> platforms, in a variety of tools (server and client).
>
> I disagree with Les' assertion that because "docx" is an standard that we
> are in a better position than we were with Word "doc". I'm sure it's a
> common experience in the community to see someone struggling with a
> presentation that has gone haywire due to an Open Office/MS Office
> interchange. Sure, docx is easier to hack on but as the point has been made
> it is such a widespread format the tools have been created to extract raw
> data from "doc".
>
> The biggest problem for MS Word as a preservation format is the lack of
> server tools. Not even Microsoft can sell you a tool for accurately
> processing Word (Powerpoint etc.) on the server - rendering of Office
> documents is bound up in the nuances and quirks of the closed-source Office
> suite.
>
> Of course the most successful format, available on by far the most
> platforms and most vendors, is HTML. As the Semantic Web/schema.org gain
> traction the amount of information stored in HTML will dwarf that in
> dead-tree formats like Word and PDF (if it doesn't already).
>
> So, as has been already suggested, placing the source (Word, TeX, etc.)
> plus a PDF on the repository is the best current strategy. It may be
> prudent to not make the source public due to the leaking of private data
> e.g. Word embedding the host machine's MAC address. The PDF should
> *hopefully* bundle up all of the dependencies of the document (fonts in
> particular), meaning readers will see what the writer intended.
>

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