thinking about Chris's post
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On Mon, April 30, 2012 11:51, Patrick McManus wrote:
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> Just to acknowledge this
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> I took a day out from the internet yesterday
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> On Sun, April 29, 2012 08:10, Chris Jones wrote:
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>> On 28/04/12 16:49, Lawrence Upton wrote:
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>>> I wasn't asked to, but I couldn't follow them, too many conflicting
>>> ideas about civil war;
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>> The other concern that comes to me is, again Roland Barthes. Thanks
>> again for the comments, most welcome.
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>> Is the conflicting lines on civil war readerly or writerly? The
>> difference is is important, to me at least.
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>> A writerly writing is a type of writing in which the reader is free to
>> write again that which is written. A readerly writing is a didactic
>> authority imposed on the reader by the writer. (Hence, Barthes idea of
>> the death of the author...)
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>> What authority does a writer have? An ethical question, perhaps, as
>> much a political question.
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>> I suspect and might even fear that Barthes death of the author is
>> poorly understood.
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>> The line on civil war .... confusing, perhaps? Is the writer
>> attempting a claim of authority which is imposed on the reader? If so, it
>> is readerly and as such It allows no freedom for the reader to make a
>> writerly reading, or to re-write in a free fashion what the writer has
>> already written. (This is a question I make of my own writing. It seems
>> somewhat unfair to impose this on other writers in the way I may impose
>> it on my writing.)
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>> Free indirect discourse, as Barthes understands, seems to me a way to
>> write in a writerly way. That is in a way in which the reader writes what
>> is written, without making a claim by the writer to the authority of
>> being an author.
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