Hi
Can I add to this interesting mix another idea? That 'pedagogy' remains a helpful term. I like Alexander's (2009) description that teaching is an act and pedagogy is both an act and a discourse. 'Pedagogy connects the apparently self contained act of teaching with culture, structure and the mechanisms of social control' and thus it takes the learner into account as much as the teacher.'(p3)
Julie

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Panos

indeed this has been much discussed. But for Vygotsky, as for other Russian theorists of mind at this time, the defining feature of human activity is that it is 'for the other' before it is for the self, learning/teaching being a prime example. Neither the learning nor the teaching emerge fully except in relation to one another.

Both their work and the ongoing efforts to translate it into English are avowedly political projects, as I think is the observation I made that teaching is an instinct of a social animal. As well as a complex set of cultural practices of course, in which that close relationship between self and other becomes formalised and reified into established roles, rules and divisions of labour.

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On 23 Mar 2012, at 12:19, Vlachopoulos, Panos wrote:

A very interesting request, indeed.

I just recently  finished reading the article: Michael Cole (2009): The Perils of Translation: A First Step in Reconsidering
Vygotsky's Theory of Development in Relation to Formal Education, Mind, Culture, and Activity, 16:4,
291-295.

The debate  on  how particular pairs of ‘meaning’ have been translated in English from the work of Russian Psychologist Vygotsky is not a new one.  Particular attention was paid on the use of "teaching/learning" as a

translation of obuchenie. In English these two words have quite different meanings, despite the fact that we may actually learn best in the course of teaching (well, that’s the assumption of formal educationalists).  In Russian, however, the situation is more complex. Obuchenie is the noun associated with obuchit' (to teach or instruct) and with obuchit'cya (to learn).  Take away the prefix "ob" and you're left with uchit' (which can be translated both as to teach [the first meaning) and to learn or memorize) and uchit'cya (to learn or to study).In other words, unlike in English, obuchenie carries the meaning of both  teaching and learning.



See also: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GUTyDVORhHkC&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=obuchenie+translation&source=bl&ots=tweFXIJdqE&sig=u_xIEGNRTuYg205P6yWVcQyda74&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DGpsT5ybFYK_0QW92v3LBg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=obuchenie%20translation&f=false



Best wishes



Panos




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Subject: teaching and learning in the same word request from Danny Saunders

Dear SEDA colleagues

Do you know of any verbs where “to teach” and “to learn” are combined?  In Welsh we have “dysgu” and I always thought this was unique – only to find that in the Maori language “ako “has the same function. There is also “uciti” in Croatian (please see below) – can you suggest any more?!

All best wishes

Danny


Prof Danny Saunders  OBE                                    Yr Athro Danny Saunders OBE
Head of the Centre for Lifelong Learning                Pennaeth Canolfan Dysgu Gydol Oes
University of Glamorgan                                         Prifysgol Morgannwg
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:38:48 +0000
Hi Mirijana

Thank you for this lovely email and I would very much like to send an extract to other colleagues in educational development as I think we might start collecting verbs which mean to teach and to learn in different languages! Would you object if I therefore circulated the following please?

“I mentioned to a mature student ( I'm teaching her my mother tongue which is Croatian,
 her father came to N.Z. from Yugoslavia  in 1913 to work in the gumfields up North)
 that you have found that the word to teach and  to learn is the same in Maori as it is in Welsh
and she told me that it's the same in Croatian as well! And she's right.
In Croatian  you can "uciti" (the c has a little v over it and it's sounded as a ch sound in English) something
  or "uciti"  someone something.
I suspect all the Slavic languages follow suit but I would need to check that out.


With all best wishes

Danny


Prof Danny Saunders  OBE                                    Yr Athro Danny Saunders OBE
Head of the Centre for Lifelong Learning                Pennaeth Canolfan Dysgu Gydol Oes
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