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Re: MCG Digest - 29 Feb 2012 to 1 Mar 2012 (#2012-45) [some links to access tools]

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James,

WAVE is great for quick fault finding. I haven't used it for a while,
but it shows you on the page where the WCAG issues are.
http://wave.webaim.org/

and there are lots of tools listed on the WC3 site here:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/complete

For those of us old enough to recall Bobby, it is no longer available. 
The reports from that were great (if rather dense!)
http://www.cast.org/learningtools/Bobby/index.html

Andrew

Andrew Lewis
Senior Web Content Manager
Digital Media Team
Victoria and Albert Museum
South Kensington
London SW7 2RL

020 7942 2373
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>>> MCG automatic digest system <[log in to unmask]> 02/03/2012
00:03 >>>
There are 8 messages totaling 993 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Google Grants
  2. Basic accessibility/QA testing tools (3)
  3. Towards MCG@30 - and last chance to take part in our survey!
  4. Pinterest and copyright (3)

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Date:    Thu, 1 Mar 2012 11:01:26 +0000
From:    Adrian Murphy <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Google Grants

Hello all,

We have been approved for a Google Grant, which is a great
opportunity.

To help inspire us on the best ways to use the grant, I wonder if you
might share how your organisations are using Google Grants (or Adwords
generally) (if at all!)

Happy to have replies off-list if you'd prefer. Though sharing is
caring, obviously.

Thanks,

Adrian



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Date:    Thu, 1 Mar 2012 11:18:48 +0000
From:    James Morley <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Basic accessibility/QA testing tools

Hi, does anyone use, or at least know of, a good automated tool for
basic accessibility/QA testing?

I'm not talking about any sort of substitute for proper evaluation, but
more something that can spot immediate basic errors like missing alt
text, empty links and tags (e.g. headers), missing metatitles,
descriptions etc

It guess it would (nicely) crawl pages and should be able to produce
reports and preferably email these on a scheduled basis.

It doesn't have to be free, but equally none of us have huge budgets!

Thanks, James

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Date:    Thu, 1 Mar 2012 11:55:11 +0000
From:    Mar Dixon <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Towards MCG@30 - and last chance to take part in our
survey!

Just filled out the survey .. nothing like last minute!  It took me 2
minutes to do so if you haven't, do it now! (Please/ Thank you).

On 29 February 2012 12:57, Linda Spurdle
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> Read a new post by MCG chair Mia Ridge 'Towards MCG@30'
>
> http://museumscomputergroup.org.uk/2012/02/28/towards-mcg30/ 
>
> Then if you haven't already done it, please take a short survey
giving us
> your thoughts on communication, events and professional development
with
> the MCG.
>
> You have until Friday March 2nd to take the survey - and one lucky
> respondent will win £50 in Amazon vouchers!
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> Take the survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/mcg2012 
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> And if you hate surveys you can feedback by email instead! Email:
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> Help us make sure that we are more relevant than ever to our members
in
> our 30th year.
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> Linda
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Date:    Thu, 1 Mar 2012 12:15:57 +0000
From:    OGIDI ANN <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Basic accessibility/QA testing tools

Hi James,

I use these ones

Wave: http://www.wave.webaim.org/wave/index.jsp - online checker,
nicely visual, but only does one page at a time.  Useful to test
template pages
A-prompt http://www.aprompt.ca/ - free download, good for pre-testing
sites before launch. 
Vischeck http://www.aprompt.ca/ - colour blindness simulator. Also
useful say, if you're publishing pie charts from excel and want to avoid
colours running into each other.
Screen resolution
http://juicystudio.com/services/colourcontrast.php#contrast - checks
text to background contrast

We also run our sites through screenreaders.  These can be pricey
but...
NVDA   http://www.nvda-project.org/ - is OK and free.  downloadable -
you can test your live site, or this one
Web anywhere screenreader - http://webanywhere.cs.washington.edu/   -
online browser

You also said..."preferably email these on a scheduled basis" - I would
also like to know about such a wondrous tool.

All the above are free.
Regards,
Ann
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Ann Ogidi | Online Services Project Manager | Department for Culture,
Media and Sport
T: 020 7211 2057 | E: [log in to unmask] 

"To improve the quality of life for all through cultural and sporting
activities, to support the pursuit of excellence and to champion the
tourism, creative and leisure industries."



-----Original Message-----
From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
James Morley
Sent: 01 March 2012 11:19
To: [log in to unmask] 
Subject: Basic accessibility/QA testing tools

Hi, does anyone use, or at least know of, a good automated tool for
basic accessibility/QA testing?

I'm not talking about any sort of substitute for proper evaluation, but
more something that can spot immediate basic errors like missing alt
text, empty links and tags (e.g. headers), missing metatitles,
descriptions etc

It guess it would (nicely) crawl pages and should be able to produce
reports and preferably email these on a scheduled basis.

It doesn't have to be free, but equally none of us have huge budgets!

Thanks, James

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Date:    Thu, 1 Mar 2012 12:31:38 +0000
From:    [log in to unmask] 
Subject: Re: Basic accessibility/QA testing tools


Sent from a wireless device

-----Original Message-----
From: OGIDI ANN <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Museums Computer Group <[log in to unmask]>
Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2012 12:15:57 
To: <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: Basic accessibility/QA testing tools

Hi James,

I use these ones

Wave: http://www.wave.webaim.org/wave/index.jsp - online checker,
nicely visual, but only does one page at a time.  Useful to test
template pages
A-prompt http://www.aprompt.ca/ - free download, good for pre-testing
sites before launch. 
Vischeck http://www.aprompt.ca/ - colour blindness simulator. Also
useful say, if you're publishing pie charts from excel and want to avoid
colours running into each other.
Screen resolution
http://juicystudio.com/services/colourcontrast.php#contrast - checks
text to background contrast

We also run our sites through screenreaders.  These can be pricey
but...
NVDA   http://www.nvda-project.org/ - is OK and free.  downloadable -
you can test your live site, or this one
Web anywhere screenreader - http://webanywhere.cs.washington.edu/   -
online browser

You also said..."preferably email these on a scheduled basis" - I would
also like to know about such a wondrous tool.

All the above are free.
Regards,
Ann
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Ann Ogidi | Online Services Project Manager | Department for Culture,
Media and Sport
T: 020 7211 2057 | E: [log in to unmask] 

"To improve the quality of life for all through cultural and sporting
activities, to support the pursuit of excellence and to champion the
tourism, creative and leisure industries."



-----Original Message-----
From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
James Morley
Sent: 01 March 2012 11:19
To: [log in to unmask] 
Subject: Basic accessibility/QA testing tools

Hi, does anyone use, or at least know of, a good automated tool for
basic accessibility/QA testing?

I'm not talking about any sort of substitute for proper evaluation, but
more something that can spot immediate basic errors like missing alt
text, empty links and tags (e.g. headers), missing metatitles,
descriptions etc

It guess it would (nicely) crawl pages and should be able to produce
reports and preferably email these on a scheduled basis.

It doesn't have to be free, but equally none of us have huge budgets!

Thanks, James

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James Morley                       [log in to unmask] 
Website Development Manager        +44 (0)20 8332 5759
Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew         www.kew.org 
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Date:    Thu, 1 Mar 2012 12:59:29 +0000
From:    Tim Trent <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Pinterest and copyright

This article, found via a LinkedIn discussion revived this topic for
me:

http://www.businessinsider.com/pinterest-copyright-issues-lawyer-2012-2


Again, I am not speaking of desirability or otherwise of sharing
pictures. I am concerned solely with the legality. Each organisation
must decide on its own sharing policy. However, the article does make me
believe that this must be a proactive decision, made, and documented on
our web sites.

On 22 Feb 2012, at 14:16, Tim Trent wrote:

> Exactly. I was never one whit concerned with desirability or
otherwise. Those are management discussions to be held and reflect
Museum Policy. I do need to approach our own trustees and ask them to
consider our own policy here. And, if my concerns, real concerns, about
breaches of copyright and Pinterest (et al) catalyse that conversation
for us an many other museums globally that can only be a good thing.
> 
> The example of Google notwithstanding, I have concerns about
Pinterest et al making commercial profit from what is, currently, my
(our) copyright content.
> 
> With that in mind, I'd like to point members at an example of a
licence at http://creativecommons.org/choose/ where one may allow or
disallow commercial use. My instinct is to disallow it, based on "My
content, my money" considerations.
> 
> Over to you for discussion again!
> 
> On 22 Feb 2012, at 13:58, Jon Pratty wrote:
> 
>> Tim's hit the nail on the head here. The main point he raised
initially, as far as I'm concerned, is not about the desirability of
opening up collections and images online, it's about the somewhat
catch-all end-user licence suggested in the Pinterest Ts and Cs. I think
all of us would applaud the notion of freeing up collection images [or
whatever] online.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Augmenting his initial point, I'm wondering if there's a pattern
emerging here, amongst social media start-ups like Pinterest and bigger
players like Apple, too. Don't forget the rumpus that emerged when Apple
recently re-launched iBooks; this had a similar end-user licence staking
all sorts of claims over individual user's original content.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I can imagine that social media start-ups are beginning to wake up
to the idea that crowd-based content generating projects are constantly
creating assets that have potential balance sheet value, assuming the
site owners can wrest some of the IP from participants along the way.
Anyone else seeing it this way?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> JP
>> 
>> 
>> Jon Pratty
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Date:    Thu, 1 Mar 2012 13:14:50 +0000
From:    Paul Shackleton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Pinterest and copyright

People are re-pinning web content - show me a loss of income argument
and this might be interesting.

 
Paul Shackleton
System Administrator, 
Documentation and Collections Management Services,
V&A Museum,
Cromwell Road,
South Kensington,
London SW7 2RL.
Tel. 020 7942 2359
>>> Tim Trent <[log in to unmask]> 01/03/2012 12:59
>>>
This article, found via a LinkedIn discussion revived this topic for
me:

http://www.businessinsider.com/pinterest-copyright-issues-lawyer-2012-2


Again, I am not speaking of desirability or otherwise of sharing
pictures. I am concerned solely with the legality. Each organisation
must decide on its own sharing policy. However, the article does make me
believe that this must be a proactive decision, made, and documented on
our web sites.

On 22 Feb 2012, at 14:16, Tim Trent wrote:

> Exactly. I was never one whit concerned with desirability or
otherwise. Those are management discussions to be held and reflect
Museum Policy. I do need to approach our own trustees and ask them to
consider our own policy here. And, if my concerns, real concerns, about
breaches of copyright and Pinterest (et al) catalyse that conversation
for us an many other museums globally that can only be a good thing.
> 
> The example of Google notwithstanding, I have concerns about
Pinterest et al making commercial profit from what is, currently, my
(our) copyright content.
> 
> With that in mind, I'd like to point members at an example of a
licence at http://creativecommons.org/choose/ where one may allow or
disallow commercial use. My instinct is to disallow it, based on "My
content, my money" considerations.
> 
> Over to you for discussion again!
> 
> On 22 Feb 2012, at 13:58, Jon Pratty wrote:
> 
>> Tim's hit the nail on the head here. The main point he raised
initially, as far as I'm concerned, is not about the desirability of
opening up collections and images online, it's about the somewhat
catch-all end-user licence suggested in the Pinterest Ts and Cs. I think
all of us would applaud the notion of freeing up collection images [or
whatever] online.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Augmenting his initial point, I'm wondering if there's a pattern
emerging here, amongst social media start-ups like Pinterest and bigger
players like Apple, too. Don't forget the rumpus that emerged when Apple
recently re-launched iBooks; this had a similar end-user licence staking
all sorts of claims over individual user's original content.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I can imagine that social media start-ups are beginning to wake up
to the idea that crowd-based content generating projects are constantly
creating assets that have potential balance sheet value, assuming the
site owners can wrest some of the IP from participants along the way.
Anyone else seeing it this way?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> JP
>> 
>> 
>> Jon Pratty
>> Relationship Manager, Digital and Creative Economies
>> Arts Council England
>> 01273 763037
>> 07872419194 [BB]
>> 223037 [Internal]
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.artscouncil.org.uk 
>> 
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England registered charity no. 1036733
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in writing. 
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Date:    Thu, 1 Mar 2012 13:21:19 +0000
From:    Tim Trent <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Pinterest and copyright

As I've said very clearly, Paul, there is a difference between the
desirability of making web content freely available (a licencing issue)
and the legality of doing so.

Loss of income is irrelevant to copyright law.

I think you argue very strongly for sharing your information. That's
laudable, sensible, and a public service. Assuming your web site and
other organs licence those items for sharing, that's great.

On 1 Mar 2012, at 13:14, Paul Shackleton wrote:

> People are re-pinning web content - show me a loss of income argument
and this might be interesting.
> 
> 
> Paul Shackleton
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>>>> Tim Trent <[log in to unmask]> 01/03/2012 12:59
>>>
> This article, found via a LinkedIn discussion revived this topic for
me:
> 
>
http://www.businessinsider.com/pinterest-copyright-issues-lawyer-2012-2

> 
> Again, I am not speaking of desirability or otherwise of sharing
pictures. I am concerned solely with the legality. Each organisation
must decide on its own sharing policy. However, the article does make me
believe that this must be a proactive decision, made, and documented on
our web sites.
> 
> On 22 Feb 2012, at 14:16, Tim Trent wrote:
> 
>> Exactly. I was never one whit concerned with desirability or
otherwise. Those are management discussions to be held and reflect
Museum Policy. I do need to approach our own trustees and ask them to
consider our own policy here. And, if my concerns, real concerns, about
breaches of copyright and Pinterest (et al) catalyse that conversation
for us an many other museums globally that can only be a good thing.
>> 
>> The example of Google notwithstanding, I have concerns about
Pinterest et al making commercial profit from what is, currently, my
(our) copyright content.
>> 
>> With that in mind, I'd like to point members at an example of a
licence at http://creativecommons.org/choose/ where one may allow or
disallow commercial use. My instinct is to disallow it, based on "My
content, my money" considerations.
>> 
>> Over to you for discussion again!
>> 
>> On 22 Feb 2012, at 13:58, Jon Pratty wrote:
>> 
>>> Tim's hit the nail on the head here. The main point he raised
initially, as far as I'm concerned, is not about the desirability of
opening up collections and images online, it's about the somewhat
catch-all end-user licence suggested in the Pinterest Ts and Cs. I think
all of us would applaud the notion of freeing up collection images [or
whatever] online.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Augmenting his initial point, I'm wondering if there's a pattern
emerging here, amongst social media start-ups like Pinterest and bigger
players like Apple, too. Don't forget the rumpus that emerged when Apple
recently re-launched iBooks; this had a similar end-user licence staking
all sorts of claims over individual user's original content.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I can imagine that social media start-ups are beginning to wake up
to the idea that crowd-based content generating projects are constantly
creating assets that have potential balance sheet value, assuming the
site owners can wrest some of the IP from participants along the way.
Anyone else seeing it this way?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> JP
>>> 
>>> 
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