Hi,
We too encounter multiple referencing styles, and in-house styles. So
though for the majority, APA would be a good style, the ability to
export to reference handling software would be more versatile. Our
students and academics have access to Endnote Web. So that would one I
would like to see supported. As most of the lists that students are
given are author first lists, even if not in strict APA order, it would
help students to relate what they may have on paper to what they see in
Aspire if the display was author first, rather than title, even if the
title remains the hyperlink.
James
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From: "Victoria Farmer (uls)" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Date: 01/02/2012 17:29
Subject: Re: Export App v Citation App
Hi
Just thought I'd add my perspective here.
TBH we are not really interested in the lists on Aspire looking like a
formal reference e.g. being in the Harvard or Vancouver style. The main
reason for this is that we too use our own version of Harvard and unless
we could have a list that exactly reflected this format it could cause
problems for the students using it. For example we can envisage students
copying and pasting the reference, thinking it is alright and then being
marked down. Equally we also officially allow students to use a version
of Vancouver, our law department has its own style, and the Art school
also has its own version as well. So a list in a Harvard style would be
no use to any of them.
So for us Aspire remaining distinct and easy to understand and navigate
is more important. In fact we think it works better like this as it
emphasises the interactivity of the links because this format more
closely reflects a catalogue or a website e.g. Amazon.
I can see that it would be useful to have an option to sort by author
though (currently the options are type and title).
Equally the exporting option could be hugely useful. We support and
teach RefWorks and when references are exported to this they can then be
formatted in any form the student liked. I can also see some use for
exporting the references to a word document although that could enable
staff to send that list to people rather than use Aspire which would be
a backwards step.
And that is it from me.
Victoria Farmer
Faculty Liaison Adviser
Robert Gordon University
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From: Talis Aspire Users [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Stevie Russell
Sent: 01 February 2012 15:23
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Export App v Citation App
Hello
This is a big issue for us too, as most lecturers here are very
concerned (to put it politely) about the lists not being in proper
bibliographic format. However, developing the Export Citations function
would be preferable to Talis setting styles. If it could work with some
more reference managing software packages (e.g. RefWorks, Zotero etc.),
these already have standard styles set up, and you can usually create
your own (we've done this with RefWorks and EndNote as we also use a
local variation of Harvard). At the moment the results of exporting from
Aspire to EndNote are patchy, as it depends on the quality of the
original data, but if this could be improved then end users would have
the option of generating lists in any style they chose via Export.
All the best
Stevie
From: Talis Aspire Users
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On Behalf Of Rogers, Ian
Sent: 31 January 2012 10:14
To:
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Subject: Export App v Citation App
Hi Chris
Asking around, none of our lecturers have expressed an interest in the
export option, but many are very keen to have their resources expressed
in correct citation style.
Would the choice of citation styles be set by Talis or could we chose
our own?
At NTU we use an in-house version of Harvard (it's just an expanded
version of the British Standard Harvard referencing, so the British
Standard would be OK for us.) In a way, to avoid confusing the students,
it would be worse for us to have a slightly different citation style
(which they might just copy) than the current display, which is
obviously no citation style at all.
Hope that makes sense.
Best wishes
Ian
Ian Rogers BA (Hons) MA PGCHE
Liaison Librarian
Boots Library
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From: Talis Aspire Users
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On Behalf Of Chris Clarke
Sent: 27 January 2012 09:56
To:
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Subject: Re: And another one...
Hi June,
Good timing! We were talking about this in the office this afternoon.
Along with export reference in a given citation style, we think this is
one of the key areas of missing functionality for academics in Campus
Edition. Really the idea should have been marked as under review, as we
have been talking about it for some time (done).
One thing we were discussing was that for a printed copy, the output
ideally needs to be in an official citation style format. So we're
thinking of bringing the citation styles into the app before focusing on
the export.
What do others think? Is this the right order of priority (citations
first, export next)?
Chris
On 26 Jan 2012, at 17:34, Hedges, June wrote:
At the risk of sounding like a stuck record... what is the likelihood
of any action being taken on the following
idea:http://ideas.talisaspire.com/forums/32805-campus-edition-ideas/suggestions/406862-export-list-as-printable-document-e-g-txt-rtf-
It is currently joint 5th in terms of votes and it remains one of the
most contentious issues here at UCL. I have one academic that is telling
everyone and anyone that this is a major drawback and reassuring her
that it has been suggested as an idea isn't having any effect any more.
More significantly it could being to damage our roll-out of the
service.
We've also just run a very quick survey of students that had access to
lists in Aspire last term. Out of 30 respondents 2 specifically
mentioned that they want to be able to download the entire list as a
.doc file. Not a high percentage I agree, but I think it is significant
that out of a relatively small group 2 people mentioned it.
With 24 votes this does seem to be a feature that other sites would
like to see too.
Regards,
June
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