Ah: some info there, Jill. I take you meant 1000 pages?
Yikes.
Doug
On 2012-01-11, at 10:43 PM, Jill Jones wrote:
> I couldn't agree more, Andrew, and that was part of the gist of my
> as-yet unpublished blogpost. UNSW Press is a university press,
> therefore ... as you said. Sure, the author/editor needs to be able do
> their thing but a publisher/commissioning editor also has a
> responsibility, esp in a so-called academic publishing house.
> Otherwise, self-publish. It's not so hard to do these days. Indeed, it
> has been suggested that one of the editors did sink a lot of his own
> cash into it, therefore, it becomes a kind of self-funded enterprise.
>
> If they'd called it Geoff and Bob's Big Book of Oz Poetry it may not
> be an issue. But it's making big claims. Some of us may know the
> politics, the ins n outs, but those not close to all that, or not
> innerested may, possibly, assume this is the latest word on all that's
> good in Aussie poetry because of its provenance, etc.
>
> Some unkind people have dubbed it Gray and Lemon. Others have said you
> could make a great anthology out of many left out of this one. Maybe
> someone will. I dunno - one of the other probs is that it's so
> blinkin' big and heavy, over a 100 pages but only about 170 poets
> (since 1788?). Neither yr bang for buck nor something I could see
> teachers realistically encouraging students to lug around in their
> already overloaded backpacks, let alone all the contention abt who's
> in or out. Well, I won't be setting it or referring to it as it's no
> use. I'd rather them read single vols or, hey, my anthology, which is
> lighter in all senses, indeed positively festive.
>
> Cheers,
> Jill
>
> ________________________ Jill Jones www.jilljones.com.au
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics"
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent:Thu, 12 Jan 2012 13:21:27 +0800
> Subject:Re: snap: two seniors
>
> But, Jill, who edits these things that are so far out of whack from
> the
> publishing company's team? Surely if they're going to put their
> moniker on
> it, they'd check out its validity. I can understand biased creative
> people
> putting out volumes of their mates, but the publisher should have
> some kind
> of 'gatekeeper' to stop this happening in the extreme - or at least
> label
> it as such in its title. (That could be fun )
>
> You get my drift?
>
> Regards from a hot Perth -
>
> Andrew
>
> On 12 January 2012 12:49, Jill Jones wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Sure is a terrible anth, to add to a few poor ones of recent times.
>> But this one problematic on large scale, re what kind of work not
>> included, ie not just the many of us individually not there but
> what
>> kind of many/s.
>>
>> Maybe you have caught up with Pete Minter's take on it, the
> specific
>> concern being Indigenous inclusion, here is his talk - worth a
>> look/listen, it isn't boring:
>> http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/17612651
>>
>> or Michael Farrell's comments at Jacket2:
>> https://jacket2.org/commentary/material-criticism
>>
>> I also wrote a short piece on it but it has not been published yet
> by
>> the blogger who asked me for something. If it doesn't appear, I
> will
>> post it myself.
>>
>> I could speculate on the 'politics' - some of it is clearly
> 'personal'
>> - but I'm not sure it's worth wasting time on.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> J
>>
>>
>> ________________________ Jill Jones www.jilljones.com.au
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics"
>> To:
>> Cc:
>> Sent:Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:52:01 +0800
>> Subject:Re: snap: two seniors
>>
>> Yes, that was a major omission - terrible anthology. Tom is such a
>> major
>> figure in Australian poetry that is simply shows their ignorance.
> Who
>> knows
>> why - the politics is always behind closed doors, and from here in
>> the West
>> we don't get to hear all the gossip - luckily.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> On 12 January 2012 03:23, Max Richards wrote:
>>
>>>> I never met him, but Judith, yeah, & youve caught her....
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>
>>> When Andrew also asked after Tom Shapcott, who is even older than
>> his wife
>>> Judith, I realised I was under- informed. Such a stalwart of
>> Australian
>>> writing, and a few years ago deprived of his voice and more by I
>> think a
>>> stroke. Caring for Tom was only part of her responsibilities as
> she
>> (when
>>> last met up with) also had a centenarian mother to see every day,
>> and also
>>> stay with as she was still in her old flat then.
>>> Dimitris was sad for Tom who doesn't appear in the latest huge
>> anthology
>>> of Australian poetry despite his many books and old reputation.
>> Ach,
>>> anthologies!
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>> On 11/01/2012, at 7:23 PM, Patrick McManus wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Max Wish I was a ball of energy -ah my old Vespa days P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good to see they're still kicking! Judith was always a ball of
>> energy.
>>>> How's Tom now?
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>> On 11 January 2012 06:37, Max Richards wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Two Seniors
>>>>>
>>>>> (Judith Rodriguez, b1936, &
>>>>> Dimitris Tsaloumas, b.1921)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Vigorous poems she wrote -
>>>>> ditto her body language.
>>>>> She roused her students -
>>>>>
>>>>> all can be creative!
>>>>> New then to her country,
>>>>> I felt she stood for Australia..
>>>>>
>>>>> When our summer December
>>>>> party lagged without
>>>>> a bottle-opener
>>>>>
>>>>> she bit off the crown caps
>>>>> passing round the beer
>>>>> that might inspire us further.
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> At her house when I met
>>>>> Australia's great Greek poet,
>>>>> Dimitris Tsaloumas,
>>>>>
>>>>> of Leros and Elwood Vic,
>>>>> though I towered over him,
>>>>> his eyes burned into me
>>>>>
>>>>> as if asking was I serious enough?
>>>>> I hadn't been but might.
>>>>> His voice was intense, but kind.
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> Hospitalised once
>>>>> for something dire,
>>>>> when visited by me
>>>>>
>>>>> her bed was empty -
>>>>> she'd absconded
>>>>> with her drip-feed bottle
>>>>>
>>>>> to judge some urgent
>>>>> poetry competition
>>>>> for the promising young.
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> Celebrating his eightieth
>>>>> at a large gathering
>>>>> he'd excused himself from,
>>>>>
>>>>> she hobbled forward
>>>>> on her stick to the lectern,
>>>>> praised him with force
>>>>>
>>>>> and large gestures -
>>>>> strode back to her seat
>>>>> without her stick.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now he's ninety,
>>>>> I'm about to make my visit
>>>>> of homage to his Elwood
>>>>>
>>>>> address, its Greek-
>>>>> picture-haunted rooms,
>>>>> I'll ask: Dimitris,
>>>>>
>>>>> are you still not only
>>>>> writing your worlds
>>>>> but touring Leros on your Vespa?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Max Richards, b.1937
>>>>> Doncaster Vic
>>>>>
>>>>> p.s. DT says he now has a four-stroke Vespa, easier for him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew
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>>>
>>
>> --
>> Andrew
>> http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
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>> http://etextpress.com/books.htm
>>
>>
>
> --
> Andrew
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>
>
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