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Well, this muddies the waters considerably. It could well be that the same titles implied very different rights and responsibilities in different jurisdictions (just as Archbishop, Metropolitan, and Patriarch can actually mean administratively equivalent or very different things, depending on the particular jurisdiction).
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Subject: Re: [M-R] archpriest = monsignor?
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Dear all,
If I am not totally mistaken (which is known to happen occasionally,
mind you), archipresbiter or plebanus was the title of the priest of a
so-called plebs (pieve in Italian), that is, a church that had baptism
rights. In Italy not all the parishes and their vicars had right to
baptize children, but they needed to be taken to these pieve churches
whose vicars were called archpriests. This system was in use still in
the late fifteenth century, perhaps even later, but I don't know about
that. In the rest of the Europe it had been abandoned earlier.
That was probably very confusing even in my terms, but hopefully it
clarifies the issue.
All the best,
Jussi Hanska
Lainaus George FERZOCO <[log in to unmask]>:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> Jim (and other colleagues) -- it has been nothing more than a hunch
> for me, based on nothing but a feeling, that the medieval archpriest
> was roughly equivalent to today's monsignor (especially one who
> works for the bishop in the curia). Does this ring true, to you?
>
> Best wishes, George
>
> --
> George FERZOCO
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>
> On 24 Jan 2012, at 14:00, James Ginther wrote:
>
>>
>> As for archpriest, it was a designation for a senior priest who had
>> jurisdiction over other priests, but in a very limited manner. In
>> England they ended up being a middle man administrator for the
>> bishop and the archdeacon. I believe they took on the same role on
>> the continent, but it may be I am thinking more of Italy than
>> France. Pastoral "reformers" attempted to utilize them as a means
>> to disseminate pastoral training manuals, and report on the
>> liturgical infelicities of the parish priests. The designation was
>> jurisdictional and not sacramental (there is no order of
>> archpriest), and mirrored loosely the notion of archdeacon.
>>
>
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