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Subject:

Re: Question about the mass-univariate approach

From:

Roberto Viviani <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

[log in to unmask][log in to unmask], 2 Dec 2011 10:24:19 -0500622_ISO-8859-1 You might also consider:

sum(X)./(eps+sum(X>0)

or

(i1+i2+i3+i4...ix)/(eps+(i1>0+i2>0+i3>0+i4>0+...ix>0))

The advantage of these is that it will not include subjects whose value is
0 at a particular voxel. This is sometimes called a soft mean. The
advantage is that if 0 is really not 0, but is missing data. For example,
if you thresholded the image such that brain tissue has a value and
non-brain is set to 0. Then you wouldn't want to average brain and
non-brain because you'd average the artificial value of 0.

Best Regards, Donald [log in to unmask]

Date:

Thu, 8 Dec 2011 08:15:07 +0100

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Dear Jorge,

...
> I also think that there should be more
> reasons for fitting the same model at each and every voxel in the
> analysis.

Yes, that reason being that figuring out and fine-tuning a model (or  
more appropriately, a class of models) is not a trivial task. Apart  
from the issue of software production and testing, the performance of  
your model depends on how well the assumptions is making survive the  
impact of the real world, and how efficient it is in picking up  
deviations from the null. A class of models that works is a major  
achievement.


> For example, I think that in any other case it  should be
> difficult to apply appropriate multiple comparison methods like
> Random Field Theory or permutation testing,  since the number of
> degrees of freedom, and even more parameters, of the distribution of
> the test static could be different at each voxel.

The issue of multiple comparisons has nothing to do with data  
distribution. The basic formalization of the field only specifies  
abstract properties of the test statistic used on the family, not its  
distribution. Distributional issues only become relevant if you adopt  
a parametric model, and this is true irrespective of the issue of  
multiple comparisons.

I do not see any reason to think that permutation methods would not be  
applicable to the case you mention. Permutation approaches assume  
exchangeability of the observations that are permuted, and if this  
assumption is satisfied by the data, then they are usually applicable.  
Differences in the distribution in each voxel may affect the  
sensitivity of your test but the control is valid nonetheless.

>
> What about sensitivity, that is, having
> different parts of the SPM with different sensitivities?
You'll have to live with that. If the variance in your data (or other  
aspects of the distribution) is not uniform across the volume, then  
your sensitivity varies. It isn't a feature of voxelwise varying models.

Best wishes,
Roberto Viviani
University of Ulm

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