Wow, I certainly agree with you about memory, which I have been arguing is fiction for years...
I get what youre saying about 'One must, I feel, bring in the action of mental perception.' Admit that I tend to hope that's implied.... Still, your way is working well right now in what youre posting....
Doug
On 2011-11-04, at 9:41 AM, Lawrence Upton wrote:
> Thanks for this, Doug
>
> I had an interesting exchange recently about a work in first process,
> MEMORY FICTIONS, which I am trying out at the wf workshops with Tina Bass
> - they're 2 voice
>
> One who knows me saw the title and expressed a belief that it meant
> nothing to him. I used to flee such situations, especially where there is
> an element of pride (I don't understand that; just think how normative
> that makes me) but that wasn't the case here. Now though I engage with
> them, as I am learning something intangible...
>
> I do have a point to make! I'll get there
>
> I learned in that first expression, surprised that he did not know the
> fictional qualities of memory. I pursued it and found he wanted to put it
> all down to error. So I tried the brain's interpretation of optical data.
>
> This seemed to be inducing quiet panic; and then I suggested that we are
> our memories...
>
> It was not a satisfactory conversation
>
> I suppose I am having a bit of a chat with the concept of landscape being
> inherently beautiful -- and there's an inverse view for advocates of city
> scapes, which is one reason I have started adding city scenes here
>
> One must, I feel, bring in the action of mental perception. One can't just
> say what is out there, because it isn't! It may feel as if one is just
> describing; just as now and then everything goes well and there's a sense
> one has been inspired
>
> No, no, no, no, no as an ex British Prime Minister once said
>
> Ta for your continuing commentary. Today I consigned two to a reject
> folder as unfit for you to see (tell the people what you've written
> Lawrence) and I am going to see that as progress!
>
> L
>
> On Fri, November 4, 2011 15:17, Douglas Barbour wrote:
>> With each addition, Lawrence, a larger (I guess I'd have to say,
>> philosophical) vision inheres. Here, even with the comic turn at the end,
>> it's the 'commentary' (also seen in others) that pushes the whole
>> along...
>>
>> So I do see the whole, as it comes into some kind of focus, as definitely
>> going to be more than the sum of its parts...
>>
>> (I'm thinking of the discourse in the 3rd stanza...).
>>
>>
>> Doug
>> On 2011-11-04, at 5:51 AM, Lawrence Upton wrote:
>>
>>
>>> a system drained off to emptiness boats where they tipped sideways a
>>> variety of drunks liquidless tipped sideways
>>>
>>> land-living fauna stepped their way beyond the two-dimensioned harbour
>>> sinking outside the box into yellow and green
>>>
>>> there, tattered birds chatter at each other and squabble smacking out
>>> brutality new relentless applications of tiny end waves to the unintended
>>> picture in which every mark has its own causality or its own human
>>> purpose
>>>
>>> I see it!
>>> I see what you have not seen,
>>> what I have seen from causalities and purposes and what the eyes take in
>>>
>>> I see it, and spray
>>> it with my structures old tom that I am
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>> Douglas Barbour
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>>
>>
>> Why poetry? And why not, I asked,
>> my right brain humming sedition.
>>
>> Phyllis Webb
>>
>>
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> UNFRAMED GRAPHICS by Lawrence Upton
> 42 pages; A5 paperback; colour cover
> Writers Forum 978 1 84254 277 4
> wfuk.org.uk/blog
> ----
>
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Latest books:
Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy)
http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664
Wednesdays'
http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10.html
Why poetry? And why not, I asked,
my right brain humming sedition.
Phyllis Webb
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