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Re: Plagiarism tool


Zee Nagre <[log in to unmask]>


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Wed, 9 Nov 2011 21:08:31 +0000





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thank you to all those who contributed- as always very interesting - Turnitin ask for college's FTE and base cost on that : which does work out at the quoted 99p per learner per year. I will approach them again and ask for a quote based only the number of HE students but I have a strong feeling they won't accept that. But if they do , I will report it here!
I take it that Viper is a no-no then? 

-----Original Message-----
From:	UK Moodle Users JISCMail list on behalf of Megan Robertson
Sent:	Wed 11/9/2011 7:03 PM
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Subject:	Re: Plagiarism tool
Is the cost based on number enrolled at an institution or number that you wish to access the service?


If youíre a big general FE college with a discrete group of HE learners, can you subscribe for them alone?


And donít forget the real key to avoiding plagiarism Ė teach your learners how to quote, cite and reference Internet-derived material correctly. Then at least the only ones who plagiarise are those who actually intend to cheat!


Hugs from Megan



From: UK Moodle Users JISCMail list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dave Foord
Sent: 09 November 2011 15:22
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Subject: Re: [MOODLE-UK] Plagiarism tool


Turnitin in my opinion outperforms the others hands down, the problem is (as identified by original question) is the cost, which last time I looked was 99p per learner per year. If you have a high number of full time HE students this is excellent value for money, if you have lots of part time work based learners who may not use this, this isn't such a good deal.


If you cannot find a suitable alternative (and I cannot recommend one) the only other approach is to make sure you get full value for money from turnitin. If you use the excellent grading and feedback tools, you can save a lot of money in paper and printing alone, then factor in the saved costs of manually collecting in assignments, and although hard to believe you can knock a bit of a hole in the £10000

Dave Foord

A6 Training and Consultancy Ltd


On 9 Nov 2011, at 14:47, John Kerr <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

We use turnitin direct with our Moodle site (1.9.10) and the uptake is extremely well.


The feedback options are great and simple to download the full report with the plagiarism result and Grade Mark over the top of it.


Happy to share specifics if needed.



John Kerr

Learning Technologist/VLE Administrator


Clydebank College

College Square

2 Aurora Avenue


G81 1BF




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From: UK Moodle Users JISCMail list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Scott Hallman
Sent: 09 November 2011 14:35
To:  <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Plagiarism tool


We looked at Crot but it only worked on single file upload assignments and we use multiple file upload assignments so we can feedback uploaded documents. I donít know if this is still the case


Many thanks


              Scott Hallman

           Head of E-learning

  The College of Haringey, Enfield and North East London

             0784 369 9265

             0208 442 3452


From: UK Moodle Users JISCMail list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gavin Henrick
Sent: 09 November 2011 14:06
To:  <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Plagiarism tool


I looked at CROT before (review -  <http://www.somerandomthoughts.com/blog/2011/03/25/review-crot-2-0-for-moodle-2-0/> http://www.somerandomthoughts.com/blog/2011/03/25/review-crot-2-0-for-moodle-2-0/ ) (it has been improved since), and had a thought about how could it be used for more than one place?


It basically builds up a local repository to check against and runs via BING search engine too.


Perhaps it would make a nice JISC project to make a national version of this along lines of

a) has local search

b) can also query the national "crot" powered system to compare against.


Yes, may not have the database of Turnitin, but would keep everything in the country.


As always, just some random thoughts :-)




On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Peter Kilcoyne < <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]> wrote:


Weíre paying quite a bit less than that for turnitin. I think it is based on your student numbers.


We arenít entirely thrilled with it. If there was a good free alternative that would be interesting




From: UK Moodle Users JISCMail list [mailto: <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Zee Nagre
Sent: 09 November 2011 13:51
To:  <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]
Subject: [MOODLE-UK] Plagiarism tool


I think itís time this was discussed again.  Turnitin is too expensive for an FE college such as ours where in fact only a small proportion of teachers or students  would use it. Last time I checked they wanted something like £10k. Has anyone negotiated a better deal for their college? Also I remember someone mentioning a freebie called  Viper . Is it worth looking into this or are there any other products out there?

Thanks for any info.


Westminster Kingsway College



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