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That a tool exists does not mean it may be used unlawfully. In my tool shed I have five very sharp chisels. Using them to hurt another person or simply to damage their property is unlawful.
Copyright is awkward where an exhibit is concerned, but not where a web site is concerned. Copyright exists by virtue of something being created. The web site is copyright regardless of the status of the items displayed in it. We have a disclaimer at the foot of every page on http://dartmouthmuseum.org
Enforcing copyright is a matter for each individual copyright owner.
Some allow work to be used freely, some licence it for onward use as a matter of course with (eg) a Creative Commons Licence, some accede to requests on their merits, granting some and refusing others, others make every effort to protect and enforce their copyrights. One US law firm has recently made an industry and revenue stream out of suing bloggers for quoting passages from newspapers. In matters of copyright one must beware.
On 10 Oct 2011, at 16:50, Mike Ellis wrote:
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> ...Also I think bearing in mind that the world we live in has:
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> - ScraperWiki
> - Google Docs ImportHTML()
> - Yahoo Pipes (which lets you grab page-based data from anywhere on the web)
> - YQL (ditto)
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> ...and numerous other technologies / sites.
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> I'm not suggesting this makes it any better but I suspect it's made it
> easier and hence probably more widespread
>
> cheers
>
> Mike
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> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Mike Ellis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> @Fiona - yes, of course. But I'm working on the assumption that most
>> museums don't have such a thing.
>>
>> @Tim - couldn't agree more - although I suspect there are lots of shades of
>> gray. Copying collections details from a single page or maybe some tens of
>> pages might be ok, but doing it across the whole collections db may not.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Mike
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>> _____________________________
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>>
>> *Mike Ellis *
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>> I've gone freelance! Find out more about our new digital agency:
>> http://thirty8.co.uk
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>> ...and I wrote a book - all about digital heritage strategy:
>> http://heritageweb.co.uk
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>>
>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Fiona Romeo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>> If a museum has made an API or feed available, it's best for everyone if
>>> your 'friend' uses one of those instead of scraping.
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>>> Fiona
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Ellis
>>>> Sent: 10 October 2011 16:25
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Screen-scraping
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>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> A question for you.
>>>>
>>>> If a...friend of mine.. did some screen-scraping of your
>>>> collections sites, would you / your organisations:
>>>>
>>>> 1) care
>>>> 2) be able to do anything about it even if you did
>>>>
>>>> Or would it be a case of
>>>>
>>>> 3) it depends how much scraping he did and how he used it?
>>>>
>>>> ...and if 3) - define for me some of the possible constraints?
>>>>
>>>> - for instance, if he only provided some high-level bits of
>>>> information (title, thumbnail, description?) and then linked
>>>> back to the full record - is that ok? If not - what?
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that given what Google and any other web spider
>>>> does is happening anyway, the answer to 2) would be "no"
>>>> anyway - but interested in your thoughts nonetheless
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
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>>>> ...and I wrote a book - all about digital heritage strategy:
>>>> http://heritageweb.co.uk
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