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Re: Ordish book, message from Tony Clarke F.A.O. Mike Moore et al.

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Bernard Moore <[log in to unmask]>

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The mining-history list.

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Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:01:56 -0400

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You have sent by accident to me I think! Bernard
 
 
In a message dated 17/10/2011 12:24:36 GMT Daylight Time,  
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Tony - I  will forward your message to people on Aditnow.co.uk where the
mining  photographers tend to hang out and they will no doubt pass a  few
comments

The general perception ios very good anhd the photos  are acceptable - I'm
not a photograraher so can't comment but see something  of the publishing 
and
I suspect to get each page manualy adjusted as you  hoped wouldprobably
treble the cost of the book

Mike

On 17  October 2011 11:30, paul richards <[log in to unmask]>  wrote:

> Mike, and
> anybody else who may be  interested,
>
>  In view of some speculation and comment  about
> the recent Trevithick Society publication H.G.
> Ordish  The Early Cornish Mining Photographs 1920 – 1933, I would like to
> take  the opportunity, if I may, to explain in an open letter some of the
>  reasons behind it, and to raise and discuss some possible  misconceptions
> concerning technical aspects of photography at the time  H.G. Ordish took
> these
>  pictures.
>
>
>
> Firstly, I
> have to admit  that it was I who ‘put the cat among the pigeons’, and
> caused,
>  albeit, a temporary hiatus in availability and distribution of the book. 
 I
> first conceived this project something like eighteen months ago,  born out
> of my
> great interest in the pictorial side of Cornish  mining history, and 
respect
> and
> admiration for the work of  H.G. Ordish over many decades.
>
>
>
> As I  have
> explained in the book, I became privileged to see, handle and  print a set
> of
> photographs from all Ordish’s early Cornish  mining negatives (some 210 of
> them)
> and, judging by his own  favourable comments at the time, I must have done
> something right. I  would like to emphasise at this point that virtually 
all
> the
>  original negatives were in good condition for their age, generally  well
> exposed,
> and satisfactorily developed and fixed. Since  the great majority of them
> had
> never before been seen, let  alone published, I was convinced that these
> should
> be brought  to a wider audience and, eventually, it was decided to 
produce a
> book  of them. Then began the task of re-scanning my original darkroom
>  prints to
> convert them to digitised image files, correcting any  visible defects in
> the
> original negatives (obvious signs of a  little light leakage, dust spots,
> occasional chemical deterioration  etc.) and optimising them in terms of
> contrast and tone range. As you  can imagine, this took very many hours of
> careful patient work that I  carried out to the best of my ability,
> resulting in
> what I  consider a superb set of dedicated greyscale digital inkjet prints
>  (and
> I have had many years’ experience of darkroom work, coupled with  much
> advice
> and knowledge gleaned from better photographers  than myself) so that I am
> confident that I know what
>  constitutes a satisfying, well-balanced  image).
>
>
>
> So, images
> were selected for  publication, arranged, I wrote the captions and the
>  introductory
> text, and everything was laid out as a PDF document for  publication. I 
had
> put
> my heart and soul into the project,  determined to do full justice to this
> important collection of images,  OK’d the proofs, but when I first saw a
> printed
> and bound copy  of the book I was disappointed with what I considered to 
be
>  many
> rather pale, grey and insubstantial images with scarcely a good,  decent
> ‘black’
> to be seen. This, I felt, made me look a bit of  an idiot after banging on
> in
> the introduction about image  quality and H.G.O.’s views etc., so 
therefore,
> after some thought, I  contacted the publications editor and expressed my
> dissatisfaction,  stressing my reasons. The result was the short, 
temporary
> withdrawal  of distribution of the book pending further discussion. As it
>  has
> turned out, an executive decision has been taken to let things  stand as
> they
> are and resume distribution, so there I have to  let it rest.
>
>
>
> Secondly,
> I have to  express sincere thanks to Mark Ordish and Anna Baxter (H.G.O.’s
>  son
> and daughter) for their unfailing and enthusiastic support given  to me in
> respect of the project, and provision of much encouragement  and
> supplementary
> biographical  information.
>
>
>
> Thirdly,
> grateful thanks  to those who have already made complementary remarks 
about
> the
>  book on websites such as the Mining History List etc. though this is  
tinged
> with regret that they will now never see these images as they  should be.
>
>
>
> Lastly,
> (and finally I  maybe hear you say) perhaps I may raise and discuss some
> technical  aspects regarding cameras, films and photography in general
>  during
> the period under consideration, that might put to bed any  slight
> misconceptions.
>
>
>
>
>   Although H.G.O.’s pictures
>     were taken on relatively  small negatives, cameras of the period (even
> with
>   modest maximum lens apertures - f/6.3 at best, or more likely  f/8) -
> were capable of taking good images
>      if handled correctly, and certainly, if properly processed, the
>  negatives
>     wood be of a quality allowing a definite  degree of enlargement. I
> myself
>     have taken  perfectly acceptable pictures with an old box camera 
fitted
>  with
>     a ‘Rapid Rectilinear’ f/8 lens. Film speeds  were slower then, of
> course,
>     necessitating  care with hand-held exposures.
>  The fixed focal length  lens
>     used on H.G.O.’s camera was what was referred  to at the time as
> ‘standard’,
>     with by no  means a wide angle of view, accounting for a somewhat
>   restricted capability in some pictures (e.g. the Botallack pair,  pp. 20
>     and 21, and Pednandrea, p. 96).  Incidentally, for my own 
satisfaction I
>     have  seamlessly stitched these two images together to create an
>  additional
>     image, though this was not included in  the book for obvious reasons.
>  I don’t know for sure if  he
>     made use of a lightweight tripod of any  description (or rest of some
> sort)
>     for  certain shots, though many interiors (e.g. the Dolcoath  
traversing
>     winding engine, p. 72 and the Magdalen  Mine shots of the air 
compressor
>     and views in the  mill etc., pp. 98, 108 and 110) are of excellent
>      definition indicating the possibility of this at the longish  
exposure
>     times that would have been  necessary.
>  Apart from the use of
>      orthochromatic film, another typical problem encountered at that time
>  was
>     the dual one of ‘halation’ and ‘irradiation’  when facing strong 
light
>     sources. I can do no  better to illustrate the point than by
> paraphrasing The Ilford Manual  of Photography.
>     Basically, strong or very bright  light meeting the film emulsion
> through
>     the  lens is:
>
>
> (a) Somewhat scattered by striking the  individual silver
> halide grains in the emulsion and has an effect on  adjacent grains (this 
is
> ‘irradiation’), and
>
> (b)  Passes right through the emulsion layer and is
> reflected back off the  film base into the sensitive emulsion layer
> producing
> yet more  scattering of light to create a ‘halo’ effect around the very
>  brightest areas of light (‘halation’).
>
> This may well account  for some apparent ’fuzziness’ in some
> images (e.g. Killifreth pp.  115,116), as these were taken on a bright day
> and
> facing more  or less south, into the sun, and in the Magdalen mill 
interior
>  (p.
> 110). At the moment, I cannot find out the exact
> date when  a red-coloured, anti-halation backing was generally applied to
>  roll
> films in an attempt to counteract this, but I think it is highly  probable
> that
> at least some of the film stock used by H.G.O.  (and this could well have
> varied) would not have been anti-halation  backed, thus exaggerating the
> effect
>
>
>   H.G.O. was a very careful
>     worker, who took pains to  get the best results he could. He usually
> only
>   took a single image (at least it is mostly these that have  been
> retained)
>     except for the interior shot  of the Levant winder with driver, when 
he
>     took two,  one greatly superior to the other (p. 31). Also, he did try
>  some
>     experiments with stereo pairs, moving the  camera a few inches and
> taking a
>     second  shot. He once remarked in one of his letters that I may well
>  find
>     such pairs amongst his negatives, and that I  might consider one of
> better
>     quality than  the other – this was certainly so with the Sally Bottom
>   picture (p. 126).
>
>
>
>
> Well  Mike (and anybody else still reading), that is about
> all I can find to  say on the matter. Hopefully it might serve to give 
some
> further  insight into the ‘art’ of photography at the time, and that of
>  H.G.O.
> in particular. I can only hope also that anyone buying the book  comes to
> realise and appreciate the importance of these images within  the field of
> Cornish mining history, and that they feel as lastingly  grateful to 
H.G.O.
> as I
> do.
>
>
>
>  Yours sincerely,
>
>
>
> Tony Clarke,
>
>  Coombe,
>
> 15th October  2011.
>
>

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