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Re: raw data deposition

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Jürgen Bosch <[log in to unmask]>

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Jürgen Bosch <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:12:54 -0400

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Which trps protein check the MSGPP or SGPP website they might have what you are looking for.

Jürgen 

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Jürgen Bosch
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Department of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology
Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute
615 North Wolfe Street, W8708
Baltimore, MD 21205
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http://web.mac.com/bosch_lab/

On Oct 28, 2011, at 8:19, Vellieux Frederic <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I must "say" that there were some emails exchanged between me and Gerard 
> later, in which I pointed out that I wasn't against deposition of images 
> (data frames). In fact, if SR sources kept user's data there would be 
> one more structure from here in the PDB: HDD failure here, the data on a 
> mirror HDD but the company in charge of maintenance erased the data 
> frames and data processing statistics by accident. For a trypanosomal 
> enzyme there is no chance that I can ever get funding now to replicate 
> the work (protein production and purification, crystallisation, data 
> collection) so that "Table 1" could be produced for a manuscript.
> 
> However, my email to the bb was provocative - I admit I was doing this 
> willingly - to write that in such harsh funding times someone could 
> start a career, get some small grant, enough to clone produce purify 
> crystallize and collect a first data set. And then find him or herself 
> without funding for X years (success rate = less than 10% these days). 
> If this person then gets scooped by whoever, end of a promising career. 
> Unfortunately, such a prospect doesn't seem to be science fiction any 
> more nowadays. I hope this clears things. I wanted to be provocative and 
> point out the difficulties we are all facing wrt funding so that we 
> shouldn't set up a system that may result in killing careers. Our 
> politicians do not need any help from us on that I think.
> 
> Fred.
> 
> Gerard Bricogne wrote:
>> Dear Remy,
>> 
>>     You are right, and I was about to send a message confessing that I had
>> been rash in my response to Fred's. Another person e-mailed me off-list to
>> point out that sometimes a structure can be quickly solved, but that doing
>> all the rest of the work involved in wrapping that structure into a good
>> biological story for publication can take a very long time, and that it
>> would be wrong for a SR source's forced disclosure policy to start imposing
>> deadlines on that process. I entirely agree with both of you and admit that
>> I reacted too quickly and with insufficient thought to Fred's message.
>> 
>>     However, as you point out yourself, this issue is related to a
>> different question (SR sources' disclosure policy towards all data collected
>> on their beamlines) from the original one that started this thread
>> (deposition of raw images with the pdb entries they led to). The two topics
>> became entangled through the idea of prototyping an approach to the latter
>> by tweaking the storage and access features involved in the former. 
>> 
>>     Many thanks to you and to the other correspondent for picking up and
>> correcting my error. This however leaves the main topic of this thread
>> untouched.
>> 
>> 
>>     With best wishes,
>> 
>>          Gerard.
>> 
>> --
>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 01:38:29PM +0200, Remy Loris wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Gerard,
>>> 
>>> I cannot agree. Last year my group published a paper in Cell which 
>>> contained a structure for which the native data were collected at a 
>>> synchrotron around 1997. Various reasons contributed to the long lag period 
>>> for solving this structure, but basically it all came down to money needed 
>>> to do the work. Equally I am sure there are other cases for which a first 
>>> good native data set is a breakthrough you wish to protect rather than hand 
>>> it out to anyone who might potentially scoop you after you have put lots of 
>>> money and effort into the project.
>>> 
>>> Therefore: Images corresponding to structures I deposit in the PDB: No 
>>> problem. That is what we do with processed data as well. But images of 
>>> unsolved structures, I don't see why that should be enforced or done 
>>> automatically by synchrotrons. Nobody deposits processed data without an 
>>> accompanying structure either.
>>> 
>>> I do agree that one could be given the option to deposit interesting data 
>>> with which he/se will not continue for whatever reason. But this should be 
>>> optional, and a clear consensus should emerge within the community as how 
>>> the original producers of the data have to be acknowledged if these data 
>>> are used and the results published by another team, especially if the use 
>>> of that particular dataset is crucial for the publication.
>>> 
>>> Remy Loris
>>> Vrije Universiteit Brussel and VIB
>>> 

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