> So poetry in English became serious when someone tried rock climbing in
> skates, Bob? Is that why they're lying on the ground (I presume the
> is too). It's crampons you need, not skates.
> Ok, I'm being jokey, but, if this refers to the Prelude (does it?) it
> to have forgotten there was a lot before that, with or without skates,
> unless nobody's told me that Caedmon or the poets who wrote Deor or Wuld
> Eadwacer or Beowulf were all fanatical skaters and would be playing major
> league hockey if they were alive now.
Good work. It's an opinion many may disagree with. "Ascent" may be a
problem. It seems to suggest to you that nothing came before. I probably
also may need some indication that I am writing of modern poetry in
English--i.e. poetry in the language now spoken, more or less.
> Maybe it refers to the Thames freezing over in the 17th century, and
> and Donne and Mr Shakespeare et al have all left their skates off while
> slip into the Mermaid for some sack?
Your levity has become a bit strained, David.
> Ok, (again), I don't know what it refers to, but the image of ice (very
> shiny stuff) drowns whatever faint glow that latinate luminescence has
> the following lines are ordinary old-style litcrit fustian with the
> well-worn mountain of an image that must be a stump by now so many people
> have trodden it ( anyhow too Parnassus is a Greek mountain with a ski
> or two and a lift nowadays as well as ancient cave-dwelling muses with a
> repressed hobby of tearing tuneful males apart not the place to go ice
> skating I'd say)
Points worth thinking about. Thanks. I tend to think "ascent" no longer
metaphorical enough to ignite visions of Parnassus, etc.--although Parnassus
would work in a poem nowadays, having been in retirement long enough to
> It'd work better as a history of Scottish art painting (minus the
> to England and poetry of course) but with a clergyman and a ribbon or two
> thrown in.
> I hope that helps!! (you did ask)
> On 6 September 2011 19:58, Bob Grumman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> the luminescence of the ice skates
>> lying where poetry in English
>> made its first major ascent
>> I'd greatly appreciate feedback as to whether or not
>> 1. it works as a poem?
>> 2. what it means as a critical statement about the history of poetry in
>> English is clear?
>> 3. its meaning as a critical statement (if clear) makes sense?
>> It is intended to be both poem, albeit a (very minor) poem-within-a-
>> larger-poem, and a critical statement.
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