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Re: Fwd: On-line PHI Latin database

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"Joshua D. Sosin" <[log in to unmask]>

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The Digital Classicist List <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 30 Sep 2011 13:28:37 -0400

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I don't know whether this adds to the discussion or not but…

Seems to me the strengths of the PHI and BTL (note that the online 
version now combines releases 4 and 5) are non-overlapping. PHI is free, 
BTL is not. PHI search/browse interface is intuitive, BTL is (IMO) not. 
PHI is more narrowly targeted at Classical authors, BTL is not.

Run a search for subaud* on BTL subaud on PHI; the word is common in 
Late antique scholarship, not so much in antiquity. This makes a point.

PHI catches 193 hits: Seneca (1), Apuleius (1), Porphyrio on Horace 
(many), Servius on Vergil (many), Digest (1) (having the Digest is a 
real asset!).

BTL catches a total of 496 citations, from the following (and then 
another 27 Medieval hits):

Aelius Donatus - Commentum Terentii: Adelphoe [commentum certe non ita a 
Donato conscriptum] (36)
Aelius Donatus - Commentum Terentii: Andria [commentum certe non ita a 
Donato conscriptum] (18)
Aelius Donatus - Commentum Terentii: Eunuchus [commentum certe non ita a 
Donato conscriptum] (31)
Aelius Donatus - Commentum Terentii: Hecyra [commentum certe non ita a 
Donato conscriptum] (15)
Aelius Donatus - Commentum Terentii: Phormio [commentum certe non ita a 
Donato conscriptum] (24)
Alcuinus - Orthographia (1)
Antonius de Bonfinis - Rerum Ungaricarum decades (1)
Apuleius - Metamorphoses (1)
Arusianus Messius - Exempla elocutionum ex Uergilio, Sallustio, 
Terentio, Cicerone digesta per litteras (1)
Beda Uenerabilis - Liber de schematibus et tropis (1)
Boethius - In librum Aristotelis Peri hermeneias commentarii (editio 
prima) (4)
Boethius - In librum Aristotelis Peri hermeneias commentarii (editio 
secunda) (11)
Breuis expositio Uergilii Georgicorum ('Burmannianus G') (5)
Cledonius - Ars grammatica (1)
Commentum Cornuti in Persium (10)
Epistularium Lupi Ferrariensis: Seruatus Lupus et alii (1)
Excerpta ex commentario in Donatum (ex codice Parisino Latino 11995 olim 
Sangermanensi 291, saec. IX ex.) [= Sedulius Scotus, In Donati artem 
maiorem, excerpta duo] (1)
Flauius Sosipater Charisius - Artis grammaticae libri V (5)
Institutiones Iustiniani Augusti (1)
Iulius Uictor - Ars rhetorica (1)
Lactantius Placidus - In Statii Thebaida commentum (33)
M. Ualerius Probus (pseudo) - Appendix Probi (1)
Marius Plotius Sacerdos - Artes grammaticae (5)
Paulus Diaconus - Excerpta ex libris Festi de significatione uerborum (1)
Pompeius (Maurus) - Commentum artis Donati (2)
Pomponius Porphyrio - Commentum in Horatium: Carmen saeculare (1)
Pomponius Porphyrio - Commentum in Horatium: Carmina (14)
Pomponius Porphyrio - Commentum in Horatium: Epistulae (1)
Pomponius Porphyrio - Commentum in Horatium: Epodi (4)
Pomponius Porphyrio - Commentum in Horatium: Sermones (6)
Priscianus - Institutiones grammaticae (26)
Pseudacronis scholia in Horatium: Expositio et Scholia in Epodon librum (3)
Pseudacronis scholia in Horatium: Expositio in Carmina (26)
Pseudacronis scholia in Horatium: Scholia in De arte poetica (3)
Pseudacronis scholia in Horatium: Scholia in Sermones (6)
Q. Asconius Pedianus (pseudo) - Commentarii uel scholia Ciceronis 
orationum (tradita una cum Asconio) (16)
Quaestiones grammaticae selectae ex codice Bernensi 83 excerptae (2)
Remigius Autissiodorensis - Commentum Einsidlense in Donati Artem 
maiorem (libri I-II sec. cod. Einsidlensem 172) (1)
Remigius Autissiodorensis - Commentum Einsidlense in Donati Artem 
minorem (recensio breuis) (6)
Sedulius Scotus - Commentum Sedulii Turicense in Eutychis Artem de 
discernendis coniugationibus (3)
Seneca [philosophus] - Epistulae morales ad Lucilium (1)
Seruius grammaticus - Commentarius in Uergilii Aeneidos libros ['Seruius 
auctus'] (125)
Seruius grammaticus - Commentarius in Uergilii Bucolicon librum 
['Seruius auctus'] (11)
Seruius grammaticus - Commentarius in Uergilii Georgicon libros 
['Seruius auctus'] (24)
Tiberius Claudius Donatus - Interpretationes Virgilianae (4)

So, you can see from the list that your research orientation will affect 
quite considerably which resource you find yourself using more.

I understand that the PHI texts were submitted to very rigorous 
proofing. I dont know whether the BTL texts have (and I havent 
spot-checked). It would useful to get a read on how they compare on this 
criterion too.

josh

On 9/30/11 12:58 PM, bruce fraser wrote:
> The online publication of PHI Latin texts is excellent news: many 
> thanks to Roy for alerting us to it!
>
> Here's a partial answer to Gabby's query: the online PHI is identical 
> to the PHI 5 CD, with about 360 authors, so has by far the most 
> thorough coverage of Classical and Late Classical works. The texts are 
> good quality: a selection of Oxford, Teubner and other scholarly 
> editions. Not all that recent: they range from an edition of Balbus of 
> 1848 to Seneca's tragedies 1987 edition, but Perseus, Latin Library 
> and others are mostly 19th century, and far fewer: LL has about 50 
> authors, Perseus fewer. (The TLL, unlike TLG, is a thesaurus, not a 
> text archive.) The most recent Latin texts are mostly published under 
> the Teubner imprint, and are starting to be digitised, but so far only 
> available commercially. See http://www.maierphil.de/ClasPhil/teubner.htm
> So basically, the PHI texts are respectable enough to be cited. See 
> their canon here: http://latin.packhum.org/canon
>
> Best,
>
> Bruce
>
> On 30/09/2011 14:29, Tom Elliott wrote:
>> Gabby:
>>
>> I don't know, but it sure would be useful if someone did the 
>> collation and produced some kind of online inventory/document/service 
>> documenting/annotating the same. And while I'm at it, it would be 
>> great if someone magically washed my car ... ;)
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On 9/30/11 5:30 AM, Gabriel Bodard wrote:
>>> Just seen on another list. It's been years since I've used the old 
>>> PHI 5
>>> CD Rom. Does anyone know how the coverage/quality of the Latin
>>> literature in this resource compares to other Latin texts online?
>>> (Perseus, Lillard, TLL, etc.)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Gabby
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> From: Roy Gibson <[log in to unmask]>
>>>
>>> Most colleagues no doubt already know this (and there may even have 
>>> been
>>> a relevant message to the list which I missed) ... but the wonderful 
>>> PHI
>>> Latin database is now available on-line:
>>>
>>> http://latin.packhum.org/index
>>>
>>> Put it on the Bookmarks Bar of your phone (if it has an internet
>>> function), and never experience a moment's boredom in airport or train
>>> again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

-- 
Associate Professor, Classical Studies, Duke University
Associate Editor, Greek, Roman and Byzantine Studies
Co-Director, Duke Data Bank of Documentary Papyri

www.duke.edu/~jds15

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