Considering the great overlap between scholars and practitioners in the field of Pagan Studies, I don't think these comments are justified.
There are reasons why members of a professional association might want to have their own listserve -- among them, the fact that discussion of association business (as opposed to scholarship) can be boring to non-members, and that certain discussions (e.g. the nomination of officers, formation of committees, etc.) are confidential until released to the general membership.
Best,
Sabina Magliocco
Professor
Department of Anthropology
California State University - Northridge
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Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] FW: [Pagan Studies] Feature on what rituals may have sounded like at Stonehenge
Actually, Anthony, there are a number of academic practitioners on that list.
Best,
Amy
Amy Hale, PhD
Department of Humanities
St. Petersburg College
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Anthony H. <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I do find it interesting that scholars who study Pagan practices and their
> history/anthropology would firmly shut the door on those who wish to know
> more or refine their knowledge about their own practice.
>
> Those on the outside define those on the inside?
>
> Strict criteria based on 'scholarly activity' in this case reeks of a
> superficiality (judging membership on the status of the user rather than the
> quality of his/her content) merely lends itself to base elitism and simple
> snobbery.
>
> There are few enough attempting to validly study and carve out viable
> programs in all forms of esoterica. Leaving learned and politely interested
> practitioners as an untapped resource may prove to be academic suicide.
>
> Anthony H.
> http://exeter.academia.edu/AnthonyHoltberg
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:14 PM, kaostar <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> academia.edu; yes great resource/networking place
>>
>> closed groups, open groups, inbetweengroups; it's like the height markers
>> at
>> Disneyland or the maximum age to join the armed forces, they do that for a
>> reason. People might not like the particular reasons for any entry
>> criteria,
>> but there's no point in banging on a door that is already labelled as "if
>> you
>> are x or are not y then you don't get in". Join the ones you can, ignore
>> the
>> rest, and if you do insist on forcing your way into a group that avowedly
>> doesn't want you it's going to be painful and isolating anyhow, so what's
>> the
>> point?
>>
>> a paraphrase of the entry criteria for here is pretty much 1. ability to
>> discuss in academic fashion, and 2. not be an arse, and we are rewarded
>> with a
>> huge, diverse, proactive, supportive community that is 99.9% a delight to
>> be
>> part of
>>
>> rogue scholar i like!
>>
>> "Independent scholar" used to mean "independently wealthy so can take the
>> time
>> to do research for the pure pleasure"
>>
>> nowadays it is closer to "under- or unemployed academic, often poorer than
>> a
>> church mouse (any denomination of)"
>>
>> Dave E (of the latter form of IS)
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original Message -----------
>> From: Khem Caigan <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:59:29 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] FW: [Pagan Studies] Feature on what
>> rituals may have sounded like at Stonehenge
>>
>> > On 9/14/2011 3:17 PM, Charlie Farrow wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I wasn't aware that it was a list that belonged to a particular
>> > > institution nor that it was hidden from the riff raff. It sounded
>> > > interesting in terms of the material that was being forwarded here and
>> > > seemed to imply that independent scholars and people with genuine
>> > > research interests might be welcome, but that's fine, I was mistaken.
>> > > I
>> > > shall creep back under my rock knowing myself to be a want-wit
>> > > hoddypeak
>> > > and quote Monty Python "How shall we fuck off oh great one?"
>> >
>> > A lot of doors firmly shut; still others are wide open.
>> >
>> > The folks at the *National Counsel of Independent Scholars*
>> > ( http://www.ncis.org/ )were kind enough to disabuse me of
>> > /my/ notion of what an "independent scholar" is after I had
>> > joined.
>> >
>> > The term "outsider scholar" is taken. Until something better
>> > comes along, "rogue scholar" will just have to do ;)
>> >
>> > rogue scholar
>> > @UrbanDictionary
>> > http://tinyurl.com/5tsosds
>> >
>> > For purposes of networking, allow me to recommend Academia.edu :
>> >
>> > http://academia.edu/
>> >
>> > Congenial environment, with lots of friendly scholars from all
>> > around the globe.
>> >
>> > Cors in Manu Domine,
>> >
>> > ~ Khem Caigan
>> > <[log in to unmask]>
>> >
>> > "Heat and Moisture are Active to Generation;
>> > Cold and Dryness are Passive, in and to each Thing;
>> > Fire and Air, Active by Elementation;
>> > Water and Earth, Passive to Generation."
>> >
>> > *Of the Division of Chaos*
>> > -Dr. Simon Forman
>> ------- End of Original Message -------
>
>
>
> --
> "Magic is the highest most absolute and divine knowledge of natural
> philosophy advanced in its works and wonderful operations by a right
> understanding of the inward and occult vertue of things, so that true agents
> being applied to proper patients, strange and admirable effects will thereby
> be produced; whence magicians are profound and diligent searchers into
> nature, they because of their skill know how to anticipate an effect which
> to the vulgar shall seem a miracle."
>
> - Lemegeton Clavicula Salomonis, Preface from Harl. 6483
>
>
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