This sounds very interesting and I'd be keen to attend just to see what others could create on a hack day, I find WP great to use and don't think there is any point in designing a new CMS when WP is here, extensible and low-cost.
I would be coming from the point of view of a user, someone who can configure wordpress, but not write themes. This is really the viewpoint that the average curator would be coming from and I think it is important to bear this in mind when discussion of CMS's comes up as it's going to be people like me that use it.
Tony Harris
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It might also be worth seeing if WordPress can offer any help. I'll ask at my local WordPress user group (the guy who runs it is very active in organising the UK Wordcamps).
Perry
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Mike
I'll get in touch with my colleague Nema El-Nahas [my Digital counterpart for Arts Council South West] and see if we can identify an Arts Council funding method to help put together a WP cultural heritage hack day. This is the sort of thing that might suit an under-£10k Grants for the Arts application.
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Sent: 18 August 2011 10:24
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Ok - punt your names in here if you're up for it:
http://electronicmuseum.org.uk/2011/08/18/wordpress-culture-hackday-anyone/
Jon - cheers, but I think there's value in doing one which is specifically CH focused... but we'll see who expresses an interest :-)
Mike
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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Jon Pratty
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> What's that you say sir? You'd like a Wordpress hack day, sir?
>
> Actually, we're having one at Brighton Digital Festival [all through
> September] though it's mostly aimed at general web user needs, rather
> than culture sector users specifically. Have a look here:
> http://www.wp-brighton.org.uk/
>
> And also see what's on in the rest of the Festival too - major
> conferences like dConstruct and Flash on the Beach, UXcamp,
> RSA/CityCamp, BrightonSEO and Brighton Digital Marketing Festival. Not
> to mention a major collection of digital arts seminars, geek comedy
> gigs, an LGBT tech day, a mini-Maker Faire and lots more. If you work
> at Tate and you're struggling to keep up, there's even a Drupal Discovery Day!
>
> http://brightondigitalfestival.co.uk/
>
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Bonewell, Perry
> Sent: 18 August 2011 09:48
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> Subject: Re: What would an open source museum CMS look like?
>
> > Thinking that I might put together a "Wordpress for Culture"
> hackday....
> Anyone in?
>
> Sounds good to me!
>
> I completely agree on the point about the community aspect of
> WordPress being a major advantage. My feeling is that museums could
> only benefit from an eco-system on this kind of scale (even if it the
> platform may never be considered to be "perfect", whatever that means).
>
> I am also keen on developing stuff that others can use but in the
> spirit of what I would like to achieve I know that I can't do this
> alone (my developer skills are almost non-existent for starters).
>
> Perry
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Mike Ellis
> Sent: 18 August 2011 09:07
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> Subject: Re: What would an open source museum CMS look like?
>
> Blimey, you turn your back for five minutes and a thread the size of
> the BM explodes on the MCG... :-)
>
> Brilliant posts - thanks everyone. Couple of misc thoughts:
>
> > The thing that always seems to be missing in CMS conversations (or
> represented far too low down in order of importance) is usability. And
> by that I mean usability for the editors, not the front-end. One of
> the whole points about CMS is to enable non-technical people to edit
> content, and yet it is here for these non-technical types that many
> CMS's fail..
>
> > The perennially awful thing about almost all of them is the rich
> > text
> editing. I found it totally astounding for example that Sitecore - the
> incumbent CMS at NMSI - has a mindblowingly flexible API that do and
> talk to pretty much anything. Try and actually *edit* some text or
> *gasp* paste from Word? Result: horrible markup and frustrated users...
>
> > The reasons for choosing O/S are as much about the community that
> > sit
> around the product as anything else. Wordpress is a blinding platform
> because you can always find answers to questions. The community is
> enormous, and growing. This isn't me saying WP is the right platform
> for museum sites (although I think WP is a damn good answer for many
> sites *up to a certain
> scale*) - but that the "bespoke vs open" thing isn't just about the
> licensing.
>
> > I don't think Drupal can ever be presented as a "plug and play"
> > solution
> :-)
>
> Personally I think Nick and Danny nailed it - there is no single
> solution, and the best response to this is surely building plugins,
> modules and connectors.
>
> Thinking that I might put together a "Wordpress for Culture" hackday....
> Anyone in?
>
> Mike
>
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>
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Cristiano Bianchi | Keepthinking <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Or maybe to have one system that does it all, in terms of (extended)
> > content management.
> >
> > Website, collection (both internal information, the 'real;
> > collection management, as well as the web display of collections),
> > exhibition and
>
> > events. And everything else that a museum or gallery needs. Plus the
> > shop (e-commerce for tickets, donations, merchandise, membership,
> > etc), all integrated into one, single database, and managed using
> > one integrated, web based software. With no compromises in terms of
> > quantity and quality of meta-data you can have, flexibility to adapt
> > to individual and changing needs, access to external resources and
> > vocabularies (e.g. Getty), mapping to ontologies (e.g. CIDOC-CRM,
> > Lido
>
> > or Dublin Core), integrated rights and digital asset management
> > (local
>
> > as well as online), production of reports in PDF as well as XML,
> > APIs (that can easily This would cover most of the needs of any
> > small of large museum, leaving out (thanks to Nick Poole for his
> > excellent
> analysis):
> >
> > - School Group Bookings Systems
> > - Office/productivity systems (including Contacts systems)
> > - Customer Relationship Management Systems
> >
> > The problem we have with Drupal and the likes is that... we already
> have
> > such a system, which has been built from scratch over the last ten
> > years following our work with museums and galleries. In time (next
> > year) will integrate what is outstanding. Should that system be open
> > source? It can be, if we find a compelling reason for it: in any
> > case we do not charge a license fee for it, only implementation
> > (i.e. we do
>
> > not make money from selling it, at this stage).
> >
> > And regarding what Tim Trent said:
> >
> > > I think the most important WCMS element is WYSIWYG.
> >
> > With similar vigour I would say this is not what's important, quite
> > the opposite. What you get depends on where you get it and when you
> > get it and changes all the time, with new browsers, new
> > technologies,
> new platforms.
> > Stick to WYSIWYG and your content is out-of-date as soon as you have
> > created it. What you want to see is the web of logical connections
> > between content objects, the network of relationships that define
> > meaning for content according to contextual environments, in an
> > abstract way. This goes back to the point I was trying to make
> > earlier: content is one thing and presentation another. They should
> talk to each other as little as possible.
> >
> > Best, Cristiano
> >
> >
> >
> > > I think the difficulty comes when you want to use a Content
> > > management
> > system (like Drupal and WordPress) to exhibit collections.
> > > Then the webCMS has to have many of the attributes of a musCMS.
> > >
> > > I think the answer, as has been suggested, is a three part system.
> > > * Collections management
> > > * Exhibition Data management
> > > * Presentation system (web or otherwise)
> > >
> > > I think I now understand the original question to relate to the
> > specification of a presentation system for web use that would
> > integrate exhibition data with the other important elements of
> > museum
> website.
> > >
> > > However, it seems to me that the missing part that needs to be
> > > built, is
> > something that can import data from a wide variety of collections
> > management systems and export it for use in a wide variety of off
> > the shelf open source Content Management Systems?
> > >
> > > e.g. Import objects, output articles (with rich metadata)
> >
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