ouch, opera. you need Evan Parker in your life: Whitstable Solo. Recommended.
S
Simon Smith
Lecturer in Creative Writing
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Rutherford College
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From: British & Irish poets [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alec Newman [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 05 July 2011 23:50
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Subject: Re: More outspokenness from R. Lumsden at Poets on Fire
i wanted to get into jaz to make myself look clever and groovy, but ended up having to go for opera.
Alec
> Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 23:41:51 +0100
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> Subject: Re: More outspokenness from R. Lumsden at Poets on Fire
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> your right Jamie, but I prefer Miles' version. Oh God, jazz . . . . we'd better close the list right now . . .
>
>
>
> Simon Smith
> Lecturer in Creative Writing
> Room NC5, School of English
> Rutherford College
> University of Kent
> Canterbury
> CT2 7NX
> Email: [log in to unmask]
> Phone: 01227 (82)3423
> Consultation Hours: by appointment
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> ________________________________________
> From: British & Irish poets [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jamie McKendrick [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 05 July 2011 23:39
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: More outspokenness from R. Lumsden at Poets on Fire
>
> Who says there's anything wrong with Monk? I can't think of much better than
> Straight No Chaser.
> J
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> From: "Simon Smith" <[log in to unmask]>
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:33 PM
> Subject: Re: More outspokenness from R. Lumsden at Poets on Fire
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>
> What's wrong with Monk? Acker Bilk maybe . . . .
>
>
> Simon Smith
> Lecturer in Creative Writing
> Room NC5, School of English
> Rutherford College
> University of Kent
> Canterbury
> CT2 7NX
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> Phone: 01227 (82)3423
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> ________________________________________
> From: British & Irish poets [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of Jamie McKendrick [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 05 July 2011 23:21
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: More outspokenness from R. Lumsden at Poets on Fire
>
> yeah - it would be worth leaving off ferreting about in other listserve's
> basements. With the Salt stuff, which has steered close to the ad hominem,
> at least there was a principle at stake and it opened up an interesting
> discussion about finance and publishing, but here there's nothing but
> opinion. Still, there may be something in the view that poetry lists have
> had their day. I'm scratching my elbow patch, rolling a ciggie and listening
> to Thelonius Monk while I type.
> J
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Lace" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:41 PM
> Subject: Re: More outspokenness from R. Lumsden at Poets on Fire
>
>
> Sorry Tony. Just wanted to get some opinions on it. I'd not heard of Lumsden
> until recently reading old threads at Poets on Fire, and thought that no one
> here had heard of him either.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5 Jul 2011, at 21:48, Tony Frazer wrote:
>
> David,
>
> This is 4 years old; I'm not sure it belongs here, and, if it does, it
> should have a date stamp. I mean, if Roddy took some of the vitriol / ad
> hominem stuff that have cropped up here years ago and then posted it today
> at PoF, we'd be narked wouldn't we?
>
> It seems of a piece with Roddy's general take on the UK "avant-garde",
> actually, so no surprise.
>
> Best,
> Tony
>
>
>
> On 5 Jul 2011, at 21:37, David Lace wrote:
>
> > Sorry, but I just can't resist posting this here:
> >
> >
> > "[...] As for wider comments about BritPo and the listservs, I have some
> > to make...
> >
> > The email based listservs have now had their day. I think any connection
> > between the booming health of UKLIP and the crapulous BritPo is
> > unproductive though. Even forums like this one will probably be dead in
> > another five-ten years and I don't want to take anything away from the
> > important, exciting business of connecting disparate minds which was done
> > by poetryetc, britpo, wompo and the rest. But it's time to knock some of
> > those old forums on the head - they have mainly become ad sites and, in
> > the case of petc, just another terrible-poem-post site.
> >
> > As to Britpo specifically, it has been a soap opera with a dwindling
> > audience for years. The reasons for this are complex and would take long
> > explanations which would be as tedious as trying to explain Hollyoaks to
> > someone who hasn't seen it since '02. A few reasons are obvious though...
> >
> > - as I've said before, though set up as a discussion forum for poets
> > writing outside of the mainstream, all too often it has been a crap-shoot
> > for puppies humping the ankles of the mainstream, and that has never been
> > stamped on as much as it should have been - it has put a lot of LIP poets
> > off joining and being tarred with that stick
> >
> > - none of the younger innovative poets want anything to do with britpo -
> > and its whiff of jazz, elbow patches, fag-smoke and 70s politics - it's
> > like walking in on your old folks doing it!
> >
> > - the major reason for its demise is the demise of the list-serv, but
> > second was the change of moderators to Byrne and Rupert Mallin some time
> > back - perfectly credible choices in some ways, but, well, not exactly
> > 'innovative' poets, given the list's focus. Mallin had also, near to the
> > changeover, made some disparaging comments about the state of UK/I
> > innovative poetry - the last straw for many of the bristly old guard like
> > Upton, Allen and Riley.
> >
> > - most of the posters who plaster their ads and poems over the site
> > clearly never read the rest and don't contribute to the community - this
> > sleazy practice ought to have a name really - I'm sure it does!
> >
> > - most of the posters left there have never even heard of most of the
> > fabulous newer poets writing innovative poetry in the US, UK and elsewhere
> > (and this will be splendidly proved by a clear lack of response to Chris'
> > new post there asking about what is going on now - expect tumbleweeds).
> > And most of them, oddly, are not even innovative poets but old bores of
> > the self-appointed maverick tendency!
> >
> > Time to put it quietly to sleep I think, as happened with Crossroads,
> > which had more credibility and distinctly more viewers."
> >
> >
> > http://z11.invisionfree.com/Poets_On_Fire/index.php?showtopic=627
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