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Re: The Dilnot proposals re elderly care

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John Bibby <[log in to unmask]>

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John Bibby <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 4 Jul 2011 10:09:24 +0100

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Great speedy research Kevin - I'm amazed at how large these figures
are. I would have guessed median wealth to be 50k or so, not 200k.
(Presumably its very bimodal.)

Dilnot claimed on 'Today' that the 35k cap benefits the poor
(paraphrased). I can't see how this is true.

JOHN BIBBY


On 4 July 2011 10:00, Kevin McConway <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> On the "typical 55-64 yr old", I guess it might say in the report when it
> comes out (noon today, I believe). But maybe it's from the Wealth and Assets
> Survey, report for GB 2006-08 at
> http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_economy/wealth-assets-2006-2008/Wealth_in_GB_2006_2008.pdf
> See pages 11 and 12 (which are numbers 39 and 40 in the pdf because the
> things has loads of roman numbered intro pages).
> It's for households, and the age group with peak wealth is 55-64. Mean
> household wealth including private pensions for that age groups was
> £634,900, median £416,100. Mean and median excluding private pension wealth
> £338,600 and £243,300 respectively. Maybe they did some crude (or
> sophisticated) conversion from household to individual. Age is that of head
> of household. I can't find (not that I've looked hard) household size by age
> but for this group, mean size must be below 2.
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin McConway
> Professor of Applied Statistics
> Faculty of Mathematics, Computing and Technology
> The Open University
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> Milton Keynes MK7 6AA, UK
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> The Open University is incorporated by Royal Charter (RC 000391), an
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>
>
> On 04/07/2011 10:20, John Bibby wrote:
>>
>> I like the Dilnot proposal that  local authorities should lend money
>> against the value of property (a sort of socialed 'equity release' -
>> but I hope they offer better terms than the private sector does!).
>>
>> This part of Dilnot seems to have been overlooked by the BBC.
>>
>> In today's Guardian
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jul/03/old-age-care-reforms-dilnot
>> I read that "The typical 55- to 64-year-old in the UK has a total
>> wealth of £200,000".
>>
>> Can anyone put legs on this for me please? (mean, median, source?)
>> IMHO 'typical' can only mean 'median'. Even then we need deciles and
>> quartiles.
>>
>> JOHN BIBBY
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