I totally agree - and it can be very disheartening but in order to get
validation we had to come to some compromises and be creative in getting
what we felt OHNs needed. Ok, we were not allowed to have a whole unit on
mental health so we threaded it in to some of the units which they would
validate.
What practitioners don't get to see is that OH lecturers are lone voices
working within structures (ie universities) and with validating bodies
which don't understand what OH practice involves. Some of us have worked
very hard at lobbying said bodies.
The link to the paper on the web-site of the Council for Work and Health
followed discussions between a group of senior practitioners and educators
gives some insight into the difficulties encountered by course developers.
http://www.councilforworkandhealth.org.uk/images/uploads/library/Nurse%20tra
ining/Final%20Paper%20from%20Anne%20Harriss%20with%20appendices.pdf
Anne
On 09/06/2011 22:29, "Stephanie McGauley" <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> well anne i think the RCN must have been walking about with their
> eyes shut on that one when it comes to OH and what you deliver
>
> i will say no more
>
> steph
> On 9 Jun 2011, at 18:10, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
>> I have heard good things about it. Interestingly, I tried to get a
>> whole
>> unit on mental health on our course a few years ago whilst at the RCN.
>> Unfortunately, we were not allowed to proceed - the reason - I
>> don't hold
>> and RMN qualification! No comment, on that but what I will say is
>> it is so
>> difficult to get what we need in for NMC validation that mental
>> health gets
>> only a brief mention.
>>
>> Anne
>>
>>
>> On 09/06/2011 17:42, "Susan Gorton" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> For anyone who can get day release near London I can very highly
>>> recommend the
>>> MSc in Organisational Psychiatry and Psychology at Kings. I have just
>>> completed (exams in 2 weeks OMG) year one and it has been absolutely
>>> brilliant. I apply what I learn every time I get back to wrok -
>>> how is the
>>> paranoid Personality Disorder getting on today!!
>>>
>>> Its likley to have a name change to Mental Health at work and the
>>> key degree
>>> to qualify to get on the course is RGN not OH. I dont have a
>>> degree to may
>>> name having predated everyhting -even my Oh is only a C
>>> (ertificate) poor thing
>>>
>>> Mental health at work gets very little mention in any OH course
>>> and yet it is
>>> 40% of most referrals. I have learnt about all the key psychiatric
>>> conditions
>>> and how to assess for them, what treatments they should be having
>>> etc had
>>> lessons on everyhting from personality to motivation and Stress at
>>> work enough
>>> to equip me to set up my own consultancy. The calibre of lecturers
>>> is first
>>> class - everyone from Adrian Furnham who writes most of the books
>>> on Occ
>>> Psychology, Rob Briner and the guy who bought EAPs to the Uk
>>> amongst many many
>>> others.
>>>
>>> I was shocked to be the only OHA on the course as this course is
>>> just ideal
>>> for us really. If in doubt go talk to Gilly Wiscarson, the course
>>> director,
>>> she is more than happy to give you the low down.
>>>
>>> I am doing my research on the impact of training for managers in
>>> an NHS Trust
>>> on common mental health problems so watch this space!!
>>>
>>> Sue
>>>
>>> Susan Gorton Occupational Health Department Manager
>>> Occupational Health
>>> Department, Level 3 Ormond House, 26-27 Boswell Street, London
>>> WC1N 3JZ
>>> Mob: 07833294568 Tel: 020 7813 8554 Ext 0247 Fax : 020 7813
>>> 8355
>>> Email: [log in to unmask] From Sept 2010 I am on study leave
>>> on Tuesdays
>>> throughout the academic year
>>>
>>>>>> "Argyle, Ruth (Occupational Health Nurse)"
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]> 08/06/2011 08:39 >>>
>>> Mmm that sounds wise
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>> On Behalf
>>> Of JANE COOMBS
>>> Sent: 08 June 2011 08:14
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] degree
>>>
>>> Dear Lynda
>>>
>>> Why don't you do a masters instead? You probably know all the
>>> stuff about OH
>>> at an excellent level and to do another two years seems like you
>>> are chasing
>>> academic moving goalposts (sorry Anne but it is a bit of a mystery
>>> to me how
>>> everything changes every 5 years or so and we find ourselves
>>> stranded with
>>> obsolete qualifications).
>>>
>>> Or why not go for a safety degree or ergonomics or HR - they would
>>> all greatly
>>> add to your knowledge and would bring such benefits to your OH
>>> practice.
>>>
>>> Jane
>>> ________________________________
>>> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 18:49:49 +0100
>>> From: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] degree
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> So does this mean that you would
>>> Only have to do 1 year I also have done dip at Warwick
>>> Thanks
>>> Lynda
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 6 Jun 2011, at 23:16,
>>> "[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>"
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>> Hello Anne
>>>
>>> It is difficult to comment about courses other than my own as I
>>> don't know
>>> their specific rules. However, the general principles will be the
>>> same. Think
>>> of academic courses a bit like going up an escalator in a three story
>>> building. Level 1,(also known as level 4) is the first floor and the
>>> equivalent of the first year of a university degree. Level 2
>>> (also known as
>>> 5) is the second floor - second year of a degree. The third year
>>> is level 3
>>> (also known as 6).
>>>
>>> The diplomas of Warwick and Uni Glam are both excellent courses
>>> but they are
>>> delivered at diploma level which is level 2(AKA level 5) the
>>> academic level of
>>> the second year of a degree programme. The academic level does not
>>> relate to
>>> how good courses are just what "floor" in the educational
>>> escalator they are
>>> taught at. So the short answer is that it is unlikely that you
>>> will get
>>> exemptions from a course delivered at level 3(6). However, entry
>>> to level 3
>>> courses usually requires previous study at level 2 so the diploma
>>> would be
>>> what would get you into the course; rather like A levels are the
>>> entry point
>>> to a degree studied straight from school at the age of 18. Don't be
>>> disheartened as it does mean that you go straight to the third
>>> year of a
>>> degree programme. When I first started teaching at the RCN
>>> academic credit
>>> wasn't given for having an RGN so those people had to do all three
>>> years of a
>>> degree programme.
>>>
>>> Although we have had students from Lincolnshire registering on our
>>> programme
>>> (we have had students travel from Scotland, Ireland and Wales
>>> before now) I
>>> suspect that the nearest course to you for face to face teaching
>>> would be
>>> Leeds Met, give Becky a call. The alternative is D/L at either
>>> University of
>>> West of Scotland or Robert Gordon University. D/L doesn't suit
>>> everyone - it
>>> requires a high level of self discipline but it is great option
>>> for those who
>>> have that.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/06/2011 22:49, "Anne Newham"
>>> <<http://
>>> [log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>> Hello Anne
>>>
>>> Could you just clarify for me if this applies if you also studied
>>> at Warwick
>>> Diploma for the Diploma in OH, as I am planning to further my studies
>>> hopefully next year & will be devastated if nothing can be be
>>> accredited.
>>>
>>> I am based in North Lincolnshire/South Humberside & would ideally
>>> need to look
>>> for something more local, so sadly London would be too far for me
>>> to travel. I
>>> have heard nothing but great things about your course &
>>> remembering you
>>> lecturing us at Warwick a few years ago.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards
>>>
>>> Anne Newham
>>> OHA
>>> Caritas Ltd
>>>
>>> From: <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 7:16 PM
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] degree
>>>
>>> Hello Georgina
>>>
>>> The diploma you have completed at Uni Glam is taught at second
>>> year degree
>>> level - level 2 - (known in some institutions as level5). All the
>>> SCPHN
>>> courses are currently taught at level 3 (AKA level 6) and
>>> therefore it is
>>> unlikely that you would be able to make an APL claim as the levels
>>> are
>>> different. However, on the plus side, you should find degree level
>>> OHN study
>>> easy and you will be at a distinct advantage. I have taught
>>> several students
>>> with the Warwick Diploma in OH and having completed that course
>>> puts them at a
>>> distinct advantage.
>>>
>>> Not sure where in the country you are based. We are based near
>>> Waterloo and a
>>> number of underground stations if you would be interested in
>>> studying with us.
>>> If so please contact me off list on this email address.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Anne Harriss
>>> Course Director
>>> LONDON SOUTH BANK UNIVERSITY
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/06/2011 13:24, "Georgina Mastin"
>>> <wlmailhtml:<http://
>>> [log in to unmask]>georgina.mastin@VIRGINMEDI
>>> A.COM<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I wonder if anyone could advise me the best route to take to
>>> obtain a OH
>>> degree. I have recently obtained my OH diploma at the university
>>> of Glamorgan
>>> and wonder if I can APL what I have already done and top up to go
>>> on and get
>>> a degree.
>>>
>>> I have found out that the Robert Gordon university do offer a
>>> long distance
>>> learning degree but I cannot APL any of my dip. Is this the case
>>> for all
>>> university's offering the OH degree course?
>>>
>>> Thanks in anticipation
>>>
>>> Georgie
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