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Re: Snap Late Crumb

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Barry Alpert <[log in to unmask]>

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Poetryetc: poetry and poetics

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Sat, 21 May 2011 15:44:26 +0100

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Thanks Stephen.  Yes, the line you quote was the most intriguing  / most poetic line I heard exit George Crumb's mouth that night.  Feasible interpretations.  Though I can't quite remember whether he was actually talking about the relationship between his visually-stunning scores (still done by hand) and the printing processes by which they are published, or . . .   I am certain that the previous line was a reference to a specific act of collecting by John Jacob Niles' of musically-striking material heard by chance on the street.  In any case, part of my Cagean background against which I'm considering Crumb.

I can imagine how a theatrical performance rooted in Jerzy Grotowski's theories might prompt one of your haptics.  Can you provide more information about the group and what they presented, as well as your response?

Barry


On Thu, 19 May 2011 14:25:30 -0700, Stephen Vincent <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Like this, Barry. 
>The enigmatic/ambiguous:
>Even engraving erases that personality.
>
>I read it first an engraving with even lines eliminates personality. 
>Or that an engraving by definition will erase the personality on which it was based and present another person. 
>The work has an attractive precision about it - 'timbres' well in place. 
>Refreshing. 
>I will look at/listen to the videos. 
>
>Growtoski Polish theater group in town - will make haptic there. Those exercises used to be my adventure/pleasures.
>
>Stephen V
>
>
>
>--- On Thu, 5/19/11, Barry Alpert <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>From: Barry Alpert <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Snap Late Crumb
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 1:41 PM
>
>SAY GEORGE CRUMB
>
>    [Don’t chance it down.]
>
>
>Spirituality little abstract.  Something you feel
>absolute.  Silence by degrees.
>You might hear one phrase in E minor.
>
>Got part of it down and adapted it himself.
>Even engraving erases that personality.
>Originally I notated in the score:  “amplified voice”.
>Requirements for special timbres.
>Grew up with an upright piano;
>exploration of that.
>
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>Barry Alpert / Silver Spring MD US / 4-28-11 (6:30 PM) - 5-19-11 (4:39 PM)
>
>Originally drafted at the Library of Congress in Washington DC while listening to the
>composer George Crumb being questioned about the forthcoming performance that 
>same evening of ten selections from his American Songbooks.  Since Crumb finished
>talking before I could complete the form I had in mind, I tried to find another source
>of language about the same material.  That strategy didn't quite work, though today
>I was able to incorporate as an appropriate inscription a line I thought I heard while
>witnessing the performance of the songs themselves.
>
>Here are links to two videos from youtube which supply useful background, though
>none of the individual songs from this massive work have yet been made available
>there:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9B2WtNtaW8
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeIvWF2thNU

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