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Re: Shibboleth service in a private federation

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"Davis, Michael" <[log in to unmask]>

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Discussion list for Shibboleth developments <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 12 May 2011 08:10:26 +0000

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Hi,

Apologies, I emailed the list by mistake.

Matthew, you interpreted my email perfectly.

Cheers
Michael
________________________________________
From: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of PHILLIPS M.E. [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 11 May 2011 10:20
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Shibboleth service in a private federation

I'm guessing that Michael e-mailed the list rather than just emailing
Lesley, who is presumably a colleague of his at Cranfield.  Lesley has
picked up your message and mistook your reference to EDS to be short for
"EBSCO Discovery Service" which they're presumably considering or
implementing at Cranfield.  They must be wanting to use Shibboleth to
authenticate their local users for EBSCO Discovery Service.

Michael explains that it's a different use of the term EDS.  The EDS Rod
is talking about might be useful if they were wanting users to be able
to choose from several IdPs, but as the EBSCO Discovery Service instance
is only available to Cranfield users anyway, they're just hard-wire
their IdP into the SP to keep things simple.

(Hope I've decoded that right!)

Matthew

--
Matthew Phillips
Electronic Systems Librarian, Durham University
Durham University Library, Stockton Road, Durham, DH1 3LY
+44 (0)191 334 2941

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments [mailto:JISC-
> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rod Widdowson
> Sent: 11 May 2011 09:36
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [JISC-SHIBBOLETH] Shibboleth service in a private
> federation
>
> Not sure I understand.
>
> FWIW, EDS is not (just) for multi-federation SPs.  It is for every SP
> that wants to give their users a better discovery story; a
> coherent look and feel during login is important and the usability
> studies I have seen show that people shy away when they first
> encounter the (UK) centralized WAYF.
>
> This SP feels like a better match for the EDS than most since it
> actually cares about vetting IdPs into the metadata (many just slam
> the entire UK federation in without whitelisting) and so the choices
> will be less.
>
> Of course you another option is to hardwire a page and use the
> SessionInitiator, but the reason  that I didn't recommend this is
> that it is static (and so, I assume costly to change) - given that you
> have to change the metadata when you add an IdP it seemed to
> make sense to me to use a discovery solution, which can take advantage
> of that..
>
> YMMV of course, you'll need to find the solution that suits you best
>
> R
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments [mailto:JISC-
> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > Davis, Michael
> > Sent: 10 May 2011 22:18
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Shibboleth service in a private federation
> >
> > Hi Lesley,
> >
> > No, not at all. This is not helpful, they are using EDS to mean
> implementing a wayf on an SP.
> >
> > If we were catering for multiple IdPs for distributing services such
> as an Ebsco EDS service, then we
> > might want this, but in reality we would hard wire our IdP
connection
> to the SP that our local Ebsco
> > EDS service would authenticate against.
> >
> > I guess
> > Cheers
> > Michael
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments [JISC-
> [log in to unmask]] on behalf of Rod
> > Widdowson [[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: 10 May 2011 17:13
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Shibboleth service in a private federation
> >
> > Colleen,
> >
> > My recommendation to you is to look at deploying the Embedded
> Discovery Service.  We put it together
> > precisely with people in your situation in mind - a single SP, a
need
> for discovery but no desire to
> > have to work with Tomcat and go through the not inconsiderable pain
> of a Centralized DS deployment).
> >
> > Additionally the EDS is rather more up-to-date with respect to
recent
> advances in metadata content as
> > well.
> >
> >
>
https://wiki.shibboleth.net/confluence/display/EDS10/Embedded+Discovery
> +Service
> >
> > You *do* need to be running the latest V2 Shibboleth SP (2.4 IIRC)
> (Or a selected set of other vendor
> > SPs), but with that in place you should get a basic discovery up in
> an afternoon.
> >
> > PLEASE ask follow up question either here or in the shib users list.
> It is absolutely essential to us
> > (the shibboleth developers) that EDS deployment be as easy as
> possible and if you have problems it
> > will be due to our documentation or packaging or both.
> >
> > Rod
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments [mailto:JISC-
> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > Colleen Romero
> > > Sent: 10 May 2011 16:36
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Shibboleth service in a private federation
> > >
> > > I have been experimenting with the Shibboleth service provider v2
> software, and have successfully
> > > configured Moodle 1.9 to authenticate against the TestShib
identity
> provider.  In this configuration
> > > the entityid of the TestShib IDP is hard coded into the
> SessionInitiator node in shibboleth2.xml.
> > >
> > > My ultimate aim is to use Shibboleth to authenticate against
shared
> services within a private
> > > federation, i.e. members authenticate against their identity
> providers to access services on my
> > > server.  I do not expect a large number of members, so in the
> initial stages I will use a local
> > > metadata file which I will edit manually.
> > >
> > > I have a few questions:
> > > 1. Do I need to install a full-blown discovery service on my
> server?  Considering that the
> > federation
> > > membership will be small, it will be quite easy for me to build a
> web form with a list of members
> > for
> > > users to select their home institution.
> > > 2. If I can use a web form, can anyone point me to information on
> how the form will be invoked, what
> > > information it will return etc.?
> > > 3. I have installed the discovery service software, but I get a
> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError.  The
> > > log refers to  org.apache.xerces, so I thought it could be related
> to the custom xerces and xalan
> > > class libraries included with the service provider software which
I
> had copied to the
> > tomcat/endorsed
> > > folder.  I tried adding tomcat/endorsed to common.loader in
> catalina.properites.  When that failed I
> > > copied the xalan and xerces jar files to the tomcat/lib folder,
but
> that did not work either.  Any
> > > ideas?
> > >
> > > Any help would be greatly appreciated.  I would be willing to send
> copies of any configuration or
> > log
> > > files if necessary.
> > =

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