CETIS wiki?
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Lorna M Campbell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> First up, thanks to everyone who has contributed to this lively discussion,
> keep the comments and ideas coming!
>
> I know that the theory was OER list members should discuss and debate but is
> there scope for the proposals (with agreement) being blogged somewhere? Or a
> twitter discussion? Organise one for a time next week?
>
> Pat, it's really up to the authors of the the proposals but I certainly have
> no objection to these bids being discussed elsewhere. In fact I might put a
> note on twitter along with a link to the list archive so that other folk can
> chip in. The more discussion the better as far as I'm concerned!
> Unfortunately we won't be able to consider any comments beyond Monday the
> 19th though as we have a telecon scheduled for Tuesday to decide the
> outcome of the call. Of course that's not to say that the discussions
> should stop there!
> Thanks again
> Lorna
>
> On 14 Apr 2011, at 07:40, Suzanne Hardy <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> It is great to see so much discussion on these proposals. :)
> I wonder, could our less technical colleagues comment on which ideas would
> appeal to users? I know that all the ideas the PORSCHE+ group took to the
> hackdays for example were based on real comments from real users, and it
> would be fantastic to think that whichever proposals are funded do reflect
> some aspects of user perceived needs.....
>
>
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> On 14 Apr 2011, at 01:47, Brandon Muramatsu wrote:
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> Ah, I was wondering if I was misinterpreting...
> I think we're on the same page with the server, at least eventually. I think
> it comes down to scope and resources for this round. I'm not sure what sort
> of reporting is reasonable this round, as opposed to future iterations of
> the service. I see a bit of basic reporting, and that we'd discuss things
> via the community as we engage in the development and see what we can do.
> The recommender/collaborative filtering bit is certainly possible, and we
> have working code for that (that entire Folksemantic.com thing). Once again
> I'm not sure about integration this pass.
>
>
> Brandon
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Pat Lockley
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
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>> On 13 Apr 2011, at 22:48, Brandon Muramatsu <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> I'll just respond to Patrick's comments about CaPReT.
>> Brandon
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Patrick Lockley
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>> Cut and Paste attribution
>>>
>>> I was glad this mentioned Open Attribute :) We're pretty soon about to
>>> release an OpenAttribute tool for Wordpress and Drupal. So we are moving
>>> from being just about facilitating attribution and instead into encouraging
>>> the creation of properly licensed content. Interestingly, I asked if anyone
>>> thought an "attributed link" - say a get variable appended onto the URL -
>>> would be useful / worthwhile and no one replied. This was on the Wordpress
>>> list on JISCMAIL. Not sure if that is representative or not.
>>
>> That's good to know. Let me start by saying I understand that it's
>> probably doing exactly what it set out to do. Unfortunately, it doesn't do a
>> lot of good on my WordPress sites now, I'm not using the full RDFa CC with
>> attribution information, but I do have DC metadata being inserted into the
>> header. That info should be pulled, probably. (And the only reason I run
>> *that* plugin is that I am a reformed metadata person.) So it's not as
>> useful as it could be. And I run a separate plugin to put a statement of
>> license in each article (once again without the RDFa).
>>
>> The new OA plugin for wordpress does lots of different things to what the
>> cc plugin does. It wraps some of it's functionality, but brings tonnes more.
>> I can send you the git hub for it? All testing and feedback are handy.
>>
>> I wonder the relative use in the wild of the CC generator with attribution
>> information versus all CC licenses.
>>
>> I guess (and I do not speak on behalf of openattribute, we don't really
>> have a formal structure, let alone a spokesperson) that we are more about
>> making it easier for people to attribute as a cultural change, not creating
>> a goal of more attribution information. For example the plugins all allow
>> for non-Rdfa attribution text.
>>
>> In the States we'd say six of one, half dozen of another. If you accept
>> the premise that trying to track content that is cut and paste is a good
>> thing, then you could go at it from the end user or the provider
>> perspective. And then you have to look at the value to the user groups.
>> We decided to approach this from the provider perspective -- which has
>> potential value to both end users and the provider.
>>
>> We have that saying here too :)
>> My English didn't get the point I was making well.
>> Current model
>> Tracked content tells server about cut and paste. So user knows and site
>> with content knows.
>> Model with centralised pot
>> Tracked content tells a distinct central server about cut and paste. This
>> then allows comparative resource tracking, cross pollination of datasets
>> (users who used this resource also used....) and a few other things. Using
>> the silo as an SI unit, this is a less silo like system.
>>>
>>> I tried to build an Xpert web buggy thing to do this - but found making
>>> one work in all documents (pasted into word say) was pretty much impossible.
>>> Maybe a central service gets round this?
>>
>> So I guess my question there is what document destinations *should* be
>> supported
>>
>> Agreed. Anyone got mimetypes of OER as percentages?
>> Pat
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