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On 14 Apr 2011, at 11:08, Pat Lockley wrote:

> CETIS wiki?
> 
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Lorna M Campbell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> First up, thanks to everyone who has contributed to this lively discussion,
>> keep the comments and ideas coming!
>> 
>> I know that the theory was OER list members should discuss and debate but is
>> there scope for the proposals (with agreement) being blogged somewhere? Or a
>> twitter discussion? Organise one for a time next week?
>> 
>> Pat, it's really up to the authors of the the proposals but I certainly have
>> no objection to these bids being discussed elsewhere.  In fact I might put a
>> note on twitter along with a link to the list archive so that other folk can
>> chip in. The more discussion the better as far as I'm concerned!
>>  Unfortunately we won't be able to consider any comments beyond Monday the
>> 19th though as we have  a telecon scheduled for Tuesday to decide the
>> outcome of the call.  Of course that's not to say that the discussions
>> should stop there!
>> Thanks again
>> Lorna
>> 
>> On 14 Apr 2011, at 07:40, Suzanne Hardy <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>> It is great to see so much discussion on these proposals. :)
>> I wonder, could our less technical colleagues comment on which ideas would
>> appeal to users? I know that all the ideas the PORSCHE+ group took to the
>> hackdays for example were based on real comments from real users, and it
>> would be fantastic to think that whichever proposals are funded do reflect
>> some aspects of user perceived needs.....
>> 
>> 
>> Suzanne
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>> On 14 Apr 2011, at 01:47, Brandon Muramatsu wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, I was wondering if I was misinterpreting...
>> I think we're on the same page with the server, at least eventually. I think
>> it comes down to scope and resources for this round. I'm not sure what sort
>> of reporting is reasonable this round, as opposed to future iterations of
>> the service. I see a bit of basic reporting, and that we'd discuss things
>> via the community as we engage in the development and see what we can do.
>> The recommender/collaborative filtering bit is certainly possible, and we
>> have working code for that (that entire Folksemantic.com thing). Once again
>> I'm not sure about integration this pass.
>> 
>> 
>> Brandon
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Pat Lockley
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 13 Apr 2011, at 22:48, Brandon Muramatsu <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'll just respond to Patrick's comments about CaPReT.
>>> Brandon
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Patrick Lockley
>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> <snip>
>>>> Cut and Paste attribution
>>>> 
>>>> I was glad this mentioned Open Attribute :) We're pretty soon about to
>>>> release an OpenAttribute tool for Wordpress and Drupal. So we are moving
>>>> from being just about facilitating attribution and instead into encouraging
>>>> the creation of properly licensed content. Interestingly, I asked if anyone
>>>> thought an "attributed link" - say a get variable appended onto the URL -
>>>> would be useful / worthwhile and no one replied. This was on the Wordpress
>>>> list on JISCMAIL. Not sure if that is representative or not.
>>> 
>>> That's good to know. Let me start by saying I understand that it's
>>> probably doing exactly what it set out to do. Unfortunately, it doesn't do a
>>> lot of good on my WordPress sites now, I'm not using the full RDFa CC with
>>> attribution information, but I do have DC metadata being inserted into the
>>> header. That info should be pulled, probably. (And the only reason I run
>>> *that* plugin is that I am a reformed metadata person.)  So it's not as
>>> useful as it could be. And I run a separate plugin to put a statement of
>>> license in each article (once again without the RDFa).
>>> 
>>> The new OA plugin for wordpress does lots of different things to what the
>>> cc plugin does. It wraps some of it's functionality, but brings tonnes more.
>>> I can send you the git hub for it? All testing and feedback are handy.
>>> 
>>> I wonder the relative use in the wild of the CC generator with attribution
>>> information versus all CC licenses.
>>> 
>>> I guess (and I do not speak on behalf of openattribute, we don't really
>>> have a formal structure, let alone a spokesperson) that we are more about
>>> making it easier for people to attribute as a cultural change, not creating
>>> a goal of more attribution information. For example the plugins all allow
>>> for non-Rdfa attribution text.
>>> 
>>> In the States we'd say six of one, half dozen of another. If you accept
>>> the premise that trying to track content that is cut and paste is a good
>>> thing, then you could go at it from the end user or the provider
>>> perspective. And then you have to look at the value to the user groups.
>>> We decided to approach this from the provider perspective -- which has
>>> potential value to both end users and the provider.
>>> 
>>> We have that saying here too :)
>>> My English didn't get the point I was making well.
>>> Current model
>>> Tracked content tells server about cut and paste. So user knows and site
>>> with content knows.
>>> Model with centralised pot
>>> Tracked content tells a distinct central server about cut and paste. This
>>> then allows comparative resource tracking, cross pollination of datasets
>>> (users who used this resource also used....) and a few other things. Using
>>> the silo as an SI unit, this is a less silo like system.
>>>> 
>>>> I tried to build an Xpert web buggy thing to do this - but found making
>>>> one work in all documents (pasted into word say) was pretty much impossible.
>>>> Maybe a central service gets round this?
>>> 
>>> So I guess my question there is what document destinations *should* be
>>> supported
>>> 
>>> Agreed. Anyone got mimetypes of OER as percentages?
>>> Pat
>> 
>> 
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University of Strathclyde
Glasgow
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Phone: +44141 548 3072
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