Agreed - but that doesn't change the art world - which might be better if
the Tate did consider the kid's finger painting a valid contribution to
culture. The Tate is emblematic, in this example, of the problem but sadly
is not atypical - it is the standard.
On 01/04/2011 08:44, "Dave Beech" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> We can be a bit more Wittgensteinian about the word art. For him, use is
> always multiple, so when someone says that the kids at nursery are making
> art with their fingers, then someone from the Tate would be mistaken to say
> "that's not art!' - the word art has to be understood in the full spectrum
> of its uses. If we do that, then the art world doesn't cause us any problems
> in using the word art, as it is only one use of the term, not the 'right'
> one or the 'standard' one.
> On 31/03/2011 23:21, "Simon Biggs" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Hi Mez
>> Output is loaded differently - and different can be destablising. I like Tim
>> Ingold's use of the term "improvisation".
>> It is easy to get your knickers in a knot about the ideological basis of
>> words. All words have baggage. They are made and used by people. It is
>> unavoidable. They can be reclaimed, if only temporarily. Be aware of the
>> baggage. You can still use the words but you need to constantly reinvent
>> them. That's what poetry is good for... (is it OK to use the word
>> The problem with "art" is the "art world", which has become a horrible
>> monster servicing corrupt oligarchs and washing dirty money. Too many
>> artists, perhaps most, are playing that game. It is sickening. How do we
>> reclaim art when people like this have it in their slimy paws?
>> "Creativity" is a term that was corrupted by new Labour and is being used in
>> an instrumental fashion by the current wave of neo-liberal administrations.
>> Nevertheless, it a far less disturbing term than "art" - which is really sad
>> for somebody who wanted to be an artist from the age of 5 and has been since
>> their teens. It's been my life.
>> But abandoning the term (and the "world") is a form of release.
>> On 31/03/2011 23:06, "mez breeze" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> ...how about "output"?:
>>> "My entire process/practice/orientation [probably best to wrap it all up
>>> under "output"] is part of the same desire base that drives my life:
>>> balance. + I don't mean a diluted pop_psychology concept of balance, I mean
>>> the idea of operating from a cluster of entangled principles that allow 4 a
>>> sustainable>integrated existence that takes *all* of life's [my life +
>>> others] variables [context, environment, perception, etc] into account. As
>>> empathy is a *crucial* component of a balanced life, overt competition +
>>> Capitalistic pursuits sit fundamentally ill-@-ease with me. That's not to
>>> say this system is static [it's far from it] + that it doesn't allow for
>>> radical spiking in terms of phenomenological flow/activity. For eg, I've
>>> been extremely careful my entire career to avoid falling into a careerist
>>> trap where all that's done is focus on wurk [to the extent that other life
>>> elements become impoverished/permanently skewed]. In light of this,
>>> separating out distinct creative modes ["poetry">"code">"theory"] seems
>>> almost pointless in terms of my output: I also acknowledge the majority of
>>> people need to do so as labels = comfort. My adherence to [Relational]
>>> Holism <http://abyss.uoregon.edu/%7Ejs/glossary/holism.html> is so
>>> encompassing that it's difficult to tease my output into various
>>> compartments that allow for examination + boxed/easy comprehension [same as
>>> with my entire life orientation:)]. So, to try to answer your question: my
>>> output is continuous[ly morphing] = intertwining through my entire existence
>>> state...without getting too wafty, let's just say
>>> from: http://badatsports.com/2011/mezangellen-w-mez/
>>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Simon Biggs <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> Perhaps we need a new word then.
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