As an international subscriber I'm finding the conversations very productive, so if the moderators were happy I would hope that it could continue here. For those of us working in English-language contexts the models for justification of new media arts draw on distinctions hatched in the UK, even if every situation is different. All the UK debates point to dynamics that will or could be present in our own settings as Sarah suggests, and I would feel concerned if a new-media-curating list was not able to discuss any national situation (in any country) that substantially affected the viability of the organisations supporting new media arts.
Of course, if Pauline's list is a better forum for a more focussed debate that's great, but it seems to me that these times call for the opposite of fragmentation.
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On 2/04/2011, at 12:19 AM, marc garrett wrote:
> Hi Sarah,
> Very interesting - I'd love to know who & why particular individuals suddenly unsubscribed.
> OK - Lets move on, as you mentioned it was an equal ratio either way which is fine.
> I have signed up to the google list Pauline discussed & will share ideas & possible futures there, and discuss other curating related contexts here :-)
> wishing you well.
>> actually we've had as many new subscribers as unsubscribers since yesterday and not all unsubscribers are international. so i don't wish to close down debate entirely here though absolutely agree with beryl let's think of positive actions we can share in. i think it is important to acknowledge what is going on, and it has implication for our international colleagues. i've very humbled by the long considered posts which have been posted here, and find them heartening and thoughtful.
>> On 1 Apr 2011, at 11:00, Pauline van Mourik Broekman wrote:
>>> Apologies, Beryl, and to all who found it over-specific. Because the
>>> discussion *is* urgent for some of us, I have taken the liberty of
>>> creating a Googlegroup (to whom I've just invited all on this list who
>>> participated on this thread); I hope you don't mind me - as one last
>>> message - telling others here, in case they'd like to participate in what
>>> I hope will be the positive discussion called for.
>>> PS I'm not a major Googlegroups user, but the info to see and subscribe
>>> should be here:
>>> https://groups.google.com/group/acedigitaluncut/about?hl=en (I've made it
>>> public for access, but subscribers-only for posting)
>>> I hope
>>>> Just a note from your gentle co-list-owner that we've had a rash of
>>> international people unsubscribing from the list in the past 12 hours,
>>>> let's try to keep this funding debate condensed, and as Clive Gillman
>>> suggested, focused on positive actions and internationally useful
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