Dear all,
Yes, I would concur with Chris and Crispin that HERs require updated designation information.
A couple of questions:
A) Can someone from the designations team let us know when a simple dataset giving concordance between the new List entry Number and all old Legacy System IDs (Listed Building Number, Scheduled Monument numbers, etc) can be issued? As Crispin says, this will allow all HERs to bring things up to date, and link their records to the relevant National Heritage List for England web page.
B) Could someone from the designations team also let us know when updated GIS data (with new National Heritage List entry numbers) will be available from http://services.english-heritage.org.uk/NMRDataDownload/ ? Again, this data is important for pointing people towards the new National Heritage List for England.
We would also be interested to know if there are any plans to have web services that can be queried (to pick up new or amended designations) or any plans to make the geographical data available as web map services.
Best regards,
Graham
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Webster
Sent: 06 April 2011 16:53
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Subject: Re: [HERFORUM] New Heritage List queries
Very timely, having just come out of a SW HER group meeting which discussed that very point. The new number is necessary to link to the new website (as in the url given by Crispin). I had a look at the downloadable data sets, and although they are dated a few days ago, they do not record the new numbers. There is a possible other issue in that County SM numbers were going to be replaced as well but I've not checked what the new list says about them.
I'd fully endorse the need for a concordance file to be made available as soon as possible.
Chris Webster
Somerset Historic Environment Record
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Crispin Flower
Sent: 06 April 2011 12:53
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Subject: New Heritage List queries
Hi All
HBSMR users are starting to ask us...
a) whether the new Heritage List has any implications for the way they record Designations in HBSMR, and also
b) since the new list adds a new reference number for each record, what to do about this. For example LBS 192715 has now become "List entry Number: 1061769", with the legacy number displayed further down the page
http://list.english-heritage.org.uk/resultsingle.aspx?uid=1061769
This is probably worth discussion and clarification with EH involvement, but our initial impression is:
a) no fundamental change needed, because these are still Scheduled Monuments, Listed Buildings etc. The new list is simply a unified means of access.
b) Yes, we need this new reference number in HER records (in order to be able to automatically hyperlink to the details on the new web site, etc). What would be very useful here would be if EH could distribute a simple dataset (e.g. CSV) giving concordance between the new ID and all old IDs (LBSUID, SAM, etc). This would allow all HERs to brings things up to date, either themselves or with a little help from us.
Are we on the right lines, and can this dataset be distributed asap?
c) question from us... does the new system have any web services etc that can be interrogated to pick up new or amended designations, or are these still only being distributed as email/pdf?
All the best
Crispin
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