The naivety makes me think that perhaps we've missed one feature: our
growing understanding of how to make communications work.
That is, the general consensus may be (and I'd say it was) that we
haven't the first clue how to design a communication that'll last 10k
yrs.
But maybe in 100 yrs, we /will/ understand enough to conceive of the
possibility, and maybe in 200 yrs we'll be able to do it.
And that'd be in plenty of time for such a message to actually serve
its purpose.
So maybe we should resist the urge to self-flagellate on this for now. :)
Cheers.
Fil
On 27 March 2011 13:19, Klaus Krippendorff <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> thanks,
>
> fil,
>
> for sending the link. i've looked into sebeok's "report" and am amazed how naive it reads 27 years later. even at his time i thought of semiotics as an unproductive conceptual framework. it is now clearer than ever
>
> klaus krippendorff
>
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> The URL for the Sebeok report is
> http://www.osti.gov/bridge/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6705990
> Cheers.
> Fil
>
> On 27 March 2011 10:04, Harold Nelson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Hi Derek
>>
>> I first came across this article many years ago which led to my giving the challenge to design students in different countries (architects to HCI) over the past few decades. The technical report is:
>>
>> Communication Measures to Bridge Ten Millennia, Thomas A. Sebeok of Research Center for Language and Semiotic Studies, Indiana University
>> Prepared for Office of Nuclear Waste Isolation, Battelle Memorial Institute, Columbus OH, April 1984
>> BMI/ONWI-532
>> Distribution Category UC-70
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>> I would ask the students to do a timeline covering the past ten millennia before thinking about how to imagine the next ten. Reactions and responses from the students have covered a broad spectrum over the years.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Harold
>> [...]
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