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Re: British journalists spiralling out of control - hysteria sweeps across newsrooms

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Robert Ward <[log in to unmask]>

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psci-com: on public engagement with science

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Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:37:19 -0000

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Very happy to bury this straw man if you will.

Bob Ward

Policy and Communications Director
Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment
London School of Economics and Political Science
Houghton Street
London WC2A 2AE

http://www.lse.ac.uk/grantham

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-----Original Message-----
From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alan Rogerson
Sent: 24 March 2011 15:00
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] British journalists spiralling out of control - hysteria sweeps across newsrooms

I thought the discussion had thankfully moved on to the important 
general issues of public accountability, vested interests and freedom of 
speech perhaps (which is why I selectively omitted any reference to you 
in quoting Richard's general remarks)? If you want to pursue your 
(rather delayed) personal disagreement with Richard's criticism of you, 
would it not be better done off the list?
Best wishes,
Alan


On 24/03/2011 15:26, Robert Ward wrote:
> I'm in favour of scrutiny, but simply launching ad hominem attacks on those with whom you disagree is not scrutiny. And asking somebody to justify an ad hominem attack on the professional reputation of an individual scientist hardly constitutes "shouting down the scrutinisers".
>
> Bob Ward
>
> Policy and Communications Director
> Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment
> London School of Economics and Political Science
> Houghton Street
> London WC2A 2AE
>
> http://www.lse.ac.uk/grantham
>
> Tel. +44 (0) 20 7106 1236
> Mob. +44 (0) 7811 320346
> -----Original Message-----
> From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alan Rogerson
> Sent: 24 March 2011 13:13
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] British journalists spiralling out of control - hysteria sweeps across newsrooms
>
> Thanks DW, and MK for the actual links to this important piece, and it
> was interesting that Frank's next sentence after the quote below was:
> "Of course, for most people this kind of accounting is beside the
> point." ...and the rest of his excellent article was about documenting
> the many dangers besetting the nuclear power industry in the USA,
> especially because: "Nuclear power is a textbook example of the problem
> of "regulatory capture" - in which an industry gains control of an
> agency meant to regulate it. "
>
> No doubt many of us can think of other examples of this in the USA, and
> elsewhere, so his central message seems to be that we - the public -
> whoever - must be eternally vigilant, and especially, as Richard
> Robinson put it in an earlier post, we should allow scrutinisers to do
> their job "carefully, without people shouting down the scrutinisers".
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 24/03/2011 13:40, Michael Kenward wrote:
>> It Could Happen Here - NYTimes.com
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/24/opinion/24Von-Hippel.html?scp=1&sq=Frank%2
>> 0von%20Hippel&st=Search
>>
>> or
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/6bm2t3j
>>
>> MK
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: psci-com: on public engagement with science
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David M Wolfe
>> Sent: 24 March 2011 10:56
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] British journalists spiralling out of control -
>> hysteria sweeps across newsrooms
>>
>> I thought people might be interested in the Op-Ed piece in
>> today's NY Times from Frank von Hippel. He is quite an
>> expert in this field and no great friend of nuclear
>> energy. Amongst other things, he points out the following:
>>
>> "From one perspective, nuclear power has been remarkably
>> safe. The 1986 Chernobyl accident will ultimately kill
>> about 10,000 people, mostly from cancer. Coal plants are
>> much deadlier: the fine-particulate air pollution they
>> produce kills about 10,000 people each year in the United
>> States alone. "
>>
>> Some perspective on the tabloid coverage we get and all
>> the fear mongering.
>>
>> DW
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:32:49 +0100
>>     Sebastian Olenyi<[log in to unmask]>   wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> in the context of discussing Sir John Beddingtons
>>> communication on the
>>> nuclear meltdown, allow me to point to the interesting
>>> Nature
>>> correspondence about scientific intolerance around some
>>> of his earlier
>>> comments:
>>>
>>> " [Beddington] urged his audience of 300 government
>>> scientists to be
>>> "grossly intolerant" of "pernicious" and "fatuous"
>>> "pseudoscience""
>>> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v471/n7338/full/471305a.html
>>>
>>> And Beddingtons answer in this weeks edition of Nature:
>>>
>> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v471/n7339/full/471448d.html?WT.ec_id=N
>> ATURE-20110324
>>> By the way: Thank you for being allowed to be part of
>>> this mailing
>>> list, even though I am not exactly affiliated to the UK.
>>> Most of the
>>> topics discussed here are really interesting for me as
>>> PhD student in
>>> the field of science&   sustainability communication.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Sebastian
>>> --
>>> Sebastian Olényi, MSc
>>> PhD Student
>>> --
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>>> Julianalaan 67
>>> 2628 BC Delft
>>> The Netherlands
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>>> E [log in to unmask]
>>> W http://www.biosustainable.net
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