Yes, I think AGS should press vigorously for the numbers to be proportional
to the number of submissions last time round.
David
On Mar 2 2011, Sarah Colvin wrote:
>I share Dan's views. The numbers don't make sense.
>
>Sarah
>
> From: JISCmail German Studies List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Frank Finlay Sent: 02 March 2011 09:35 To:
> [log in to unmask] Subject: REF: AGS consultation
>
>Dear Colleagues,
>
>With Dan's permission, I am forwarding to the mail base a recent email.
>
> It relates to his concerns about the representation of German on the REF
> panel.
>
> I have cut and pasted the attachment to which Dan refers into the bottom
> of his message.
>
> I am forwarding this, in particular, to those among you in our discipline
> community who have responsibility for preparing REF submissions.
>
> I am inviting *brief and measured* comment to me (I don't think members'
> inboxes will appreciate one of those 'viral' discussions!) and, assuming
> Dan's views are widely shared, I will undertake to collate responses,
> share them with the mail base, and make any representation necessary on
> behalf of the AGS. This representation will necessarily carry most weight
> if it is broad and evidence-based, so in the meantime I'll review data
> relating to submissions (e.g. numbers of outputs submitted to the various
> sub-panels).
>
>Please reply using the above Subject line.
>
>Best wishes,
>Frank
>
>
>
>From: Wilson, D [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: 24 February 2011 23:01
>To: Frank Finlay
>Subject: FW: REF panellists announced
>
>Dear Frank,
>
>[...]
>
> I'm writing because it seems to me that AGS ought to protest at the
> make-up of the REF panel and the serious underrepresentation of German.
> As one of my colleagues asks, how can they justify having 3 panellists
> for Russian/Slavic, 3 for Italian (incl Italian linguistics) and only 2
> for German? In 2008 there were 15 submissions for Russian, 18 for Italian
> and 30 for German. Most glaringly, there were 25 submissions in
> linguistics, and yet they have 5 panellists (6 if one includes the chair
> [...].
>
> How are we meant to have faith in this process? How in the world are Nick
> and Pol supposed to read the same number - or likely, more - outputs as
> four of you did in 2008? Maybe there's something I'm missing here, but it
> sounds really bonkers. And the amount of money they're saving by reducing
> the size of the panels is peanuts compared with the total amount of money
> at stake. They can't afford to get it wrong.
>
> My Head of School has added into the list of panellists their
> disciplinary specialisation - see attached. I realise that there is a
> note to the effect that more panellists may be added, but it's not likely
> to happen in languages unless we squawk, I think.
>
>Thanks for letting me vent - let me know how you see it.
>
>Best,
>Dan
>
>Sub-panel 28: Modern Languages
>
>Chair
>
>
>
>Professor Kersti Börjars
>
>University of Manchester
>
>Members
>
>
>
>Professor Michael Basker
>
>University of Bristol (Russian)
>
>Professor Lucille Cairns
>
>Durham University (French)
>
>Professor Jenny Cheshire
>
>Queen Mary, University of London (Linguistics)
>
>Professor Sioned Davies
>
>Cardiff University (Celtic)
>
>Professor Gerard Docherty
>
>Newcastle University (Linguistics)
>
>Professor Robert Dunbar
>
>Sabhal Mor Ostaig/UHI Millennium Institute (Law and Celtic)
>
>Professor Charles Forsdick
>
>University of Liverpool (French)
>
>Professor Simon Gaunt
>
>King's College London (French)
>
>Professor Andrew Ginger
>
>University of Stirling (Hispanic Studies)
>
>Professor Ann Hallamore Caesar
>
>University of Warwick (Italian)
>
>Professor Stephen Hart
>
>University College London (Hispanic Studies)
>
>Dr Jerry Hunter
>
>Bangor University (Celtic)
>
>Dr Adam Ledgeway
>
>University of Cambridge (Italian Linguistics)
>
>Professor Marjorie Lorch
>
>Birkbeck, University of London (Applied Linguistics)
>
>Professor Martin McLaughlin
>
>University of Oxford (Italian)
>
>Professor Florence Myles
>
>Newcastle University (Linguistics)
>
>Professor Pól Ó Dochartaigh
>
>University of Ulster (German)
>
>Professor Richard Parish
>
>University of Oxford (French)
>
>Professor Nicholas Saul
>
>University of Durham (German)
>
>Professor David Shepherd
>
>Keele University (Russian)
>
>Dr Isabel Torres
>
>Queen's University Belfast (Hispanic Studies)
>
>Professor Marilyn Vihman
>
>University of York (Linguistics)
>
>Ms Janet Zmroczek
>
>British Library (Curator of Baltic and Polish Collections)
>
>Panel Secretary
>
>
>
>Ms Rebecca Lambert
>
>University of Warwick
>
>
>
>
>
>W. Daniel Wilson
>Professor of German
>School of Modern Languages, Literatures and Cultures
>Royal Holloway, University of London
>Egham, Surrey
>TW20 0EX
>Tel. +44 (0)1784 414 668
>http://www.rhul.ac.uk/modern-languages/staff/wilson.html
>
>
>
>
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Dr D.R. Midgley
Reader in German Literature and Culture
St John's College
Cambridge CB2 1TP
Tel. ++1223 338779
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