Just to add to Phil and Eleanor's response...
I would NOT use Phaser for MR with PTS present. It doesn't handle it
correctly yet, since the likelihood targets don't account for PTS.
Others may be able to explain it better.
Its probably not C-centered (as Eleanor mentions) and you should try the
other primitive cell options.
From what I understand about seeing (or not) the strong/weak reflection
behavior... it is proportional to the size of your off-origin Patterson
peak so it is more difficult to see when the off-origin peak is small
(26% in your case). Crystal orientation, I guess, could also be a reason
for not visualizing it on the diffraction image, but it still should be
apparent in the stats since Xtriage found it.
If it was me... If your off-origin peak was over 50% of the origin peak
height AND after inspecting the Patterson map to see if it lies at
z0.25, then you MIGHT be able to solve and refine the structure in
C-centered orthorhombic cell. The advantage of this would be that you
wouldn't be refining against a large portion of weak reflection data. In
your case, however, since your weak reflections are not really that weak
you shouldn't have too much of a problem refining.
Hope this helps.
Jon
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On 02/08/2011 11:49 AM, Francis E Reyes wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I have a case of a dataset that indexed, integrated, and scaled well
> in P 21 21 21 (55.6410 81.6493 147.1294 90.0000 90.0000
> 90.0000) . The data has an Mn(i/sd) of 2.1 at 3.5 A with a Rpim of
> about 0.398 at the highest resolution shell (3.49-3.58).
>
> Analysis with phenix.xtriage warns of pseudotranslational symmetry
> (26% of origin).
>
>
> x y z height p-value(height)
> ( 0.500, 0.000, 0.233 ) : 26.344 (2.681e-03)
> ( 0.000, 0.338, 0.000 ) : 5.380 (8.476e-01)
>
> If the observed pseudo translationals are crystallographic
> the following spacegroups and unit cells are possible:
>
> space group operator unit cell of reference
> setting
> C 2 2 21 (b-1/4,c-1/4,2*a) x+1/2, y, z+1/4 (73.64, 55.47,
> 81.46, 90.00, 90.00, 90.00)
>
> From what I've read about pseudo c-centering via pseudotranslational
> symmetry, the problem exhibits itself with alternating weak and strong
> reflections at low resolution, but become consistent at high
> resolution. Inspection of the h+k parity groups via truncate does not
> show this behavior .
>
> Despite the fact the data was collected at the anomalous peak, I do
> not observe any anomalous signal (DelAnom correlation between
> half-sets is 0.013 for all data).
>
> Using a reasonably complete model (>80%) I searched for two molecules
> in the ASU in space group P 21 21 21 and obtained a solution at
> TFZ=22.1 for two molecules related solely by a translation. However
> the electron density maps (after rigid body refinement) are not great
> (or maybe my expectations are too high). I am encouraged by the fact
> the density is weak for a region of the model which should have a
> different conformation, while strong density is maintained for the
> rest of the molecule.
>
> Is this the proper way to approach pseudotranslation (i.e. is there
> any reason to believe that the solution obtained by MR is not the
> correct solution?).
>
> Is the space group determined? (i.e. does the pseudo c-centering
> affect pointless's ability to analyze the systematic absences?).
>
> Is the lack of a pattern of alternating weak/strong reflections normal
> (would observing this behavior be dependent on the crystal orientation) ?
>
> any advice would be greatly appreciated! (especially from those who
> have had a case like this before)
>
>
> F
>
>
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> Francis E. Reyes M.Sc.
> 215 UCB
> University of Colorado at Boulder
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