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Re: cargo bike use

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John Meudell <[log in to unmask]>

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Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list <[log in to unmask]>

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I've managed to track down the info I recommended.  There's highlights of
the Dutch cargobike report at:

http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/2008/10/26/workcycles-and-bakfietsnl-win-in-k
assa-bakfiets-comparison-test/

This is an English language cargobike blog from Amsterdam, and seems to
summarise well the report (and confirms the comments about Halfords trike!).
The TV programme is still available at the Vara TV station, webpage (albeit
in Dutch) is:  

http://kassa.vara.nl/tests/details/tpid/120/test/de-bakfietsentest/

There's an embedded link to the feature, broadcast in October 2008:

http://kassa.vara.nl/tv/afspeelpagina/fragment/de-bakfietsentest/speel/1/

I haven't looked at yet, but the playtime is about right but, again, it's
all in Dutch (but very self explanatory).


On a slight change of subject, I don't know if anyone has looked at the now
defunct Encycleopedia, written by Jim McGurn and Alan Davidson.  It's worth
noting that, for a long time, it would seem that cargo bike concepts seemed
to be confined within national boundaries.  Until probably 10 - 20 years ago
conceptual exports were mostly ad-hoc, non-systemized.  In the UK we seemed
stuck on the butchers bike, then jumped to recumbent concepts (mistakenly in
my view) like the Pickup and the (awful) Brox.  The butchers bike (load over
the front wheel) appears elsewhere, but doesn't seem to be as embedded as in
the UK.

Holland is noted for it's large tricycles, popular until the 70's, at which
time they fell out of use.  They returned to the trike concept, experimented
with the Christiana trike, albeit in narrowed form, in the late 90's.  These
days the Bakfiets variant of the Long John concept (originated in Denmark in
the 20's) has become very popular, backed with a wide and long overdue
variety of practical utility accessories.  A number of companies are
producing trike and bike concepts but I don't know what relative sales
are...particularly since the TV show.

There certainly needs to be a discussion, if not research (Delft seem to be
a long way down the road), into use of cargo bikes, but it would be as well
if a discussion informed by real world experience.  In my view the lack of
that resulted in the Brox.

Cheers

John Meudell
Engineer and  recumbent cyclist too....





-----Original Message-----
From: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of john meudell
Sent: 07 January 2011 12:14
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: cargo bike use

The Bakfiets development of the original Danish Long John has become very
popular in Holland, www.bakfiets.nl (UK dealer: http://www.dutchbike.co.uk/
).  There's a unit at Delft University doing research into transport bikes
(I have the details somewhere but it'll take some time to dig out) which has
been quite extensive.  One of the Dutch TV magazine programmes did a 30
minute feature on the research, which covered most, if not all, of the cargo
bikes and trikes on sale in Holland at the time.  There used to be a link to
it on the Bakfiets website, but I noted recently that it appears not to be
there any longer.

The basic conclusion was that trikes were fundamentally unstable unless
cornered very slowly.  In one case(Halfords tricycle offering) it was so bad
they didn't bother to include it in the feature.  The basic problem is that,
to turn a trike, the rider has to swing the "steering bar" to the outside of
the turn, thus transferring the body weight outside of the centre of
gravity.  Combine that with a relatively high load centre (the Long John's
is much lower) and there's all the necessary forces to topple over
easily...which gets worse the large the load.

Of course, with two wheeled transport bikes, that issue isn't present
(although, because of the geometry of the front wheel relative to the
basket, a similar effect can be observed in most variations on the butchers
bike beloved in Britain).

I'll see if I can dig up a link to the TV feature (although I would warn
it's in Dutch).

Cheers

John Meudell



-----Original Message-----
From: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carlosfelipe Pardo
Sent: 07 January 2011 00:55
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: cargo bike use

Bogotá (Colombia) has had considerable use of cargo tricycles since the
1980s, mostly for small packages. Unfortunately, there is very few and
outdated literature around (the most recent I have is from 1985- a
Skat-funded document called "las bicicletas y los triciclos" (in Spanish)...

Carlosfelipe Pardo
Slow Research
Cl 93A No 14-17 of 708 (Bogotá, Colombia) T/F +571 2362309 Cel +57 321 343
3727 [log in to unmask]


On 06/01/2011 06:28 p.m., Adrian Emilsen wrote:
> >  Is anyone aware of towns/cities where there is a 'reasonable' level 
> > of
use of cargo bikes/trikes outside of the Netherlands/Denmark/Portland OR?

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