Hi Richard,
The DCP conference committee have a group of people (Jen Unwin the DCP Conference Committee Chair called them 'experts') who research and then recommend speakers for the conference. One of these people suggested Zucker as they had worked with him previously - but has since claimed that they were unaware of any controversy surrounding his work.
As the rest of the committee also said they were unaware of the controversy, it was agreed that he should be invited. After first becoming aware of the concerns and objections from myself and the Psychology of Sexualities section they continued with his advertised keynote as Jen Unwin stated that 'some people consider him to be an expert.' This response was due to the committee contacting others working with GID (such as Polly Carmichael at the London GID clinic) who stated that although his work was 'controversial' is was 'valid' (Jen quoting Polly). Polly Carmichael also cites Zucker in her own work.
This is how Jen Unwin explained this decision to me when I met with her recently to discuss the objections from the Protest Zucker group ([log in to unmask]).
Jem
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From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of richard pemberton
Sent: Tue 30/11/2010 20:05
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Subject: Re: Rough draft of brief statement on behalf of CommPsy Section and/or CommPsy list?
The statement is good. I havent had time to read up on all this so am reluctant to sign up. I need to understand the issues better.
Snow permitting I am going to the Conference. I would like to know how and why he got invited. Press coverage is important although this is the sort of area that parts of the press love for all the wrong reasons.
I am going to the Conference in part due to my interest in the development of Applied Psychology and how this is being handled in the Society. The various Brands/Divisions and Sections are distinctly odd and badly need rethinking. It is really good news that Community Psychology has joined this confusion.
The Governments decision to fund English schools directly and academise them is going to have a major impact on Educational Psychology. I am told all Educational Psychologists are being made redundant in Wiltshire and that in England all new Educational Psychology training is frozen? This may open up opportunities to rethink child psychology/psychologies.
There is serious talk about an Academy of Applied Psychology with the Society. Jenny Taylor has been leading on this work.
The Conference is joint with the Clinical Health Faculty of the DCP. I dont know who Chairs this Faculty. It will be on the DCP site. The Faculty may have suggested him as a speaker.
Richard
Richard
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 6:40 PM, alison smith <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I support the statement and am in awe of how quickly this statement has been written!
good luck with the protest
Alison
> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:41:50 +0000
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Rough draft of brief statement on behalf of CommPsy Section and/or CommPsy list?
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Can we maybe try to set a precedent here, please? If no-one objects to
> the statement within, say, three days, then we can say it comes from the
> list as a whole?
> J.
>
> On 29/11/2010 23:32, Gavriel Ansara wrote:
> > David, I am delighted to have logged on to make editorial changes, only
> > to find that you have already made them.
> > I support David's edited version of the collective statement and believe
> > it should be sent from the list as a whole, if people are amenable.
> > I should clarify my awareness that APA is regressive and that my intent
> > was not to position them inaccurately as progressive, but to use a
> > document from an influential, mainstream psychological organisation to
> > frame our statement as not 'fringe', in case doing so makes our message
> > more accessible to psychological professionals. Since I am unable to
> > find an equivalent position statement from within UK psy professions,
> > perhaps our statement will (in part) serve that purpose.
> > 'I also would prefer to try to avoid focusing on an individual such as
> > Zucker and focus more on the oppressive discourses and practices which
> > giving platforms for his work promotes'
> > Absolutely agreed. I'm very happy with the statement after David's
> > incorporation of editorial changes. Are list members in favour of going
> > ahead with this statement?
> > Gavi
> > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Fryer, David <[log in to unmask]
> > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Gavi and all,
> >
> > Thank you again for all your wonderful work.
> >
> > I am a member of the interim committee of the CP Section.. Jacqui
> > has been consulting members. I wont divulge what is being suggested
> > and I expect that Jacqui A, as Chair of the interim committee, will
> > update us re CP Section actions but for now I think we can assume
> > the Section interim committee will write its own letter rather than
> > one on behalf of the Committee and List.
> >
> > (Some) list members may wish for a response by 'the list.' I don't
> > think we technically have a resolution but we could issue a
> > statement of concern? However the List has no satisfactory mechanism
> > for generating collective statements. One alternative is that a
> > letter is written and people who want to do so sign up (as Gavi has
> > done and people are doing). However speaking out on these matters
> > can expose signatories to unwelcome attention and attacks. I think
> > we should not be collectively silenced by this but I do think we
> > should not underestimate the costs on individuals of speaking out.
> > It is safer for those of us with more privileges (like me) to speak
> > out than it is for those with fewer. An alternative to a letter
> > signed by people openly would be a letter sent by the List
> > moderators (Grant and m/ or me) on behalf of 'X' list members.
> >
> > Regarding invoking the American Psychological Association Resolution
> > on Transgender, Gender Identity, and Gender Expression
> > Non-Discrimination<http://www.apa.org/about/governance/council/policy/chapter-12b.aspx#transgender>
> > (APA, 2008): I think that this would work better in a transatlantic
> > context than for us now here. For members of a BPS Section
> > addressing members of a BPS Division or members of the BPS itself
> > via the Psychologist by reference to an APA resolution would, I
> > think, read oddly and be less than desirable. Besides the APA is so
> > problematic in relation to so many issues (e.g. torture) that to
> > position the APA as progressive seems problematic to me. Moreover I
> > don't think we need to invoke the authority of the APA to oppose
> > discrimination and support legal and social recognition in relation
> > to diversity. The first part and bullet points could be omitted and
> > the next section rewritten along those lines?
> >
> > I also would prefer to try to avoid focusing on an individual such
> > as Zucker and focus more on the oppressive discourses and practices
> > which giving platforms for his work promotes
> >
> > A version of Gavi's message edited and amended in line with the
> > above suggestions and with some changes suggested by others posting
> > on the list could look like what follows. But this is very rough and
> > just at this stage suggestive as an alternative:
> >
> > Statement of concern regarding Dr Kenneth Zucker's invited keynote
> > lecture at the British Psychological Society Division of Clinical
> > Psychology Conference 2010
> > The work of Dr Kenneth Zucker, which functions to undermine support
> > for children's own gender and gender-associated expression, is
> > discriminatory against people whose own gender differs from their
> > gender assignment (e.g., those often labelled 'trans' or 'gender
> > variant') and inhibits the legal and social recognition of
> > transgender individuals consistent with their gender identity and
> > expression. promotion of discourses which position children who
> > self-identify as boys as 'girls with gender identity disorder' or
> > self-identified girls as 'boys with GID', we believe, violates
> > professional ethics that mandate psychological professionals to
> > avoid causing harm.
> >
> > In addition to problematic discriminatory discourse, problematic
> > practices, including behavioural reorientation work with children,
> > violates international human rights policies, including the United
> > Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) by interfering
> > with children's freedom of play and expression, and by failing to
> > provide children the opportunity to be heard and their views to be
> > given due weight, in relation to their experiences of their own
> > gender and gender-associated expression. Deterring children from
> > wearing clothes associated with any gender, from playing with
> > friends of any gender, or from engaging in play stereotypically
> > associated with any gender is oppressive.
> >
> > Members of the UK Community Psychology discussion list are concerned
> > that the problematic discourses and practices, promoted by Dr
> > Zucker's work, continue to receive support from within British
> > psychology and that they are proactively promoted through Dr Zucker
> > being afforded leadership positions on the American Psychological
> > Association Task Force on Gender Identity, Gender Variance, and
> > Intersex Conditions, the American Psychiatric Association Workgroup
> > on Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders preparing the 2012 edition
> > of the DSM-V and the World Professional Association for Transgender
> > Health (WPATH, formerly the Harry Benjamin International Gender
> > Dysphoria Association) Standards of Care (SOC) Workgroup Committee.
> > We urge the British Psychological Society Division of Clinical
> > Psychology and all psychological professionals to:
> >
> > * support legal and social recognition of people of all ages in
> > a manner consistent with their self-designated gender
> > * protect the freedom of all children to play, dress,
> > friendship, and expression associated with any gender
> > * condemn behavioural reorientation work with children
> > * boycott and protest psychological environments that support
> > discriminatory and oppressive discourses and practices which
> > functions to undermine support for children's own gender and
> > gender-associated expression, are discriminatory against people
> > whose own gender differs from their gender assignment and inhibit
> > the legal and social recognition of transgender individuals
> > consistent with their gender identity and expression
> >
> > names or
> >
> > On behalf of X Members of the UK Community Psychology Discussion list
> > November, 2010
> >
> >
> >
> > David Fryer
> > Professor of Community Critical Psychology, Charles Sturt
> > University, Australia
> > Professor Extraordinarius, University of South Africa
> > Honorary Senior Research Fellow, University of Stirling, Scotland
> > President: European Community Psychology Association
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
> > [[log in to unmask]
> > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Gavriel
> > Ansara [[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> > Sent: 29 November 2010 18:29
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Rough draft of brief statement on behalf of CommPsy Section
> > and/or CommPsy list?
> >
> > Dear David and Section/list folk,
> >
> > Below is a rough draft that I can edit and complete this evening,
> > but I wanted to share the basic scaffold for your input and feedback.
> > I can add citations tonight, too, so I am aware that these need to
> > be added.
> > I've signed and perhaps we could combine individual signatures with
> > organisational/institutional/list/section affiliations in the final
> > version.
> >
> > Gavi
> > --
> >
> > November, 2010 Resolution against Dr Kenneth Zucker's invited
> > keynote at the Department of Clinical Psychology at Manchester
> > As community and critical psychologists, we invoke the American
> > Psychological Association Resolution on Transgender, Gender
> > Identity, and Gender Expression
> > Non-Discrimination<http://www.apa.org/about/governance/council/policy/chapter-12b.aspx#transgender>
> > (APA, 2008) that calls on psychologists to play a leadership role in:
> >
> > *
> > ending discrimination against people whose own gender differs from
> > their gender assignment (e.g., those often labelled 'trans' or
> > 'gender variant')
> > *
> > 'support(ing) legal and social recognition of transgender
> > individuals consistent with their gender identity and expression'.
> >
> > The work of Dr Kenneth Zucker is in clear violation of this policy
> > due to his refusal to support children's own gender and
> > gender-associated expression. We are concerned by discriminatory
> > nature of his pathologizing treatment of children. Referring to
> > children who self-identify as boys as 'girls with gender identity
> > disorder' or self-identified girls as 'boys with GID' contravenes
> > the spirit of APA's resolution and, we believe, constitutes a
> > violation of professional ethics that mandate psychological
> > professionals to avoid causing harm. (should I add more here about
> > the results of his 'treatment' or not?)
> > In addition to violating APA policy on recognising people's own
> > gender, Dr Zucker's behavioural reorientation work with children
> > violates international human rights policies, including the United
> > Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) by interfering
> > with children's freedom of play and expression. Deterring children
> > from wearing clothes associated with any gender, from playing with
> > friends of any gender, or from engaging in play stereotypically
> > associated with any gender constitutes harmful discrimination.
> > We are alarmed that Dr Zucker continues to receive support from
> > within psychology and that he continues to hold leadership positions
> > on the American Psychological Association Task Force on Gender
> > Identity, Gender Variance, and Intersex Conditions, the American
> > Psychiatric Association Workgroup on Sexual and Gender Identity
> > Disorders preparing the 2012 edition of the DSM-V and the World
> > Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH, formerly the
> > Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association) Standards
> > of Care (SOC) Workgroup Committee. The influence of Dr Zucker's
> > discriminatory approach on these three key policy-making
> > organisations that address treatment of people with self-designated,
> > non-assigned gender inhibits their ability to achieve the goals of
> > APA's resolution. Rather than take a leadership role in ending
> > discrimination, psychological institutions and committees that give
> > Dr Zucker a platform to spread his bigoted ideas in some cases
> > violate their own resolutions and directives.
> > We urge the Department of Clinical Psychology and other professional
> > environments to consider the non-pathologizing and supportive
> > approaches offered by Diane Ehrensaft, Edgardo Menvielle, Herb
> > Schreier, and other professionals who have successfully assisted
> > these young people in actualising their own gender and
> > gender-associated expression.
> > We urge psychological professionals to :
> >
> > * support legal and social recognition of people of all ages in
> > a manner consistent with their self-designated gender
> > * protect the freedom of all children to play, dress,
> > friendship, and expression associated with any gender
> > * condemn Dr Zucker's behavioural reorientation work with children
> > * boycott and protest psychological environments that support Dr
> > Zucker's work
> > In conscience and community,
> > Y. Gavriel Ansara, MSc, Department of Psychology, University of Surrey
> > (add your signatures here)
> >
> > --
> > Mr Y. Gavriel Ansara, MSc
> > ??? ??? ????? ??????? ????
> >
> > 'Zoos are full, prisons are overflowing... my, how the world still
> > dearly loves a cage.' -Maude
> >
> > ?*????????????*?·?
> >
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> > ??? ??? ????? ??????? ????
> >
> > 'Zoos are full, prisons are overflowing... my, how the world still
> > dearly loves a cage.' -Maude
> >
> > ?*????????????*?·?
> >
> > PhD Candidate & Academic Tutor
> > University of Surrey, Department of Psychology
> > http://www.psy.surrey.ac.uk/index.htm
> >
> > Founder & Co-Coordinator, Critical Psychology at Surrey
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> > <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=373193592940&ref=ts>
> >
> > Teaching Faculty, The Kerulos Ctr
> > http://kerulos.org/
> >
> > Contributing Author, Counselling Ideologies: Queer Challenges to
> > Heteronormativity
> > http://www.ashgate.com/isbn/9780754676836
> >
> > Member & Co-Author, Professionals Concerned with Gender Diagnoses in the DSM
> > http://www.professionals.gidreform.org/
> >
> > Former Founding Director & Former Founding Advocates Programme
> > Co-Supervisor, Lifelines Rhode Island/Cuerdas de Salvamento
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> >
> > Speaker on Multicultural Issues, Organisation Intersex International (OII)
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