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Subject:

Re: budget pressures

From:

Laura Swaffield <[log in to unmask]>

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Laura Swaffield <[log in to unmask]>

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Tue, 2 Nov 2010 00:10:04 +0000

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I agree with Liz.
This is no time to slag off library campaigners - but a time to explain your ideas, & the financial reality behind them.
If they make sense, & the campaigners can't think of anything better, you can work together.
If they disagree with you, they won't go away.

What too often happens is that closures are announced with little or no sensible explanation.
And the campaigners are dissatisfied with the quality of the information offered to them, the quality of the financial judgements made, the failure to explain what other options were considered and, often (in their opinion) examples of mis-spending elsewhere that could have been channelled to small branches.

The network has been so hollowed out that, in many places, the branches that remain are a bare minimum to
give reasonable geographical cover.
Once a branch closes, it never comes back. People know that.

To quote our esteemed minister (1 July): 'Library users will be right to challenge where frontline services
are closed if services haven't thought about some radical efficiency options.'

Laura Swaffield

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From: lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Liz Dubber [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 01 November 2010 21:38
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Subject: Re: budget pressures

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I think the point is that the current budget pressures are threatening well
used service points, not simply the dwindling or unattractive ones.

The network is seriously at risk, with the possibility of entire communities
left without easy access to a library.

In which case a vastly reduced service might surely be better than none at
all and could allow time for developing longer term delivery and access
solutions in partnership with communities.



We should surely applaud and thank those campaigners who care enough to
fight against closures, and work with them to find new and sustainable ways
to improve services for all.

Otherwise, where will we find the friends and allies to champion libraries
now and in the future?



Liz Dubber





From: lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Roy Clare
Sent: 27 October 2010 21:55
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: budget pressures



Oh, Liz, but this is happening already in scores of councils!



Like many colleagues on this forum I can list service points all over the
place that are being kept open by Ward Councillors keen on their votes. As a
result, there are numerous examples of Cabinet-led decisions to block
"library closures". These councils are therefore unable to deal with their
infrastructure properly, with costs tied up in often decrepit, unattractive
buildings that serve small and dwindling numbers of users; and with patchy
services to other areas where new (and often rural) populations are starved
of library provision.



This is a perverse situation, in which democratic influences keep open some
service points and fail to improve services for the population as a whole.



In many cases a better library service could result from properly-managed
estate; with overhead costs better controlled; and with a more strategic
approach than is enabled by the nation's existing arrangements for local
government control of public library services.



The MLA has been saying these things for some time and - in many councils -
receiving a positive hearing for our advice and support. Once the MLA
disappears local government will be handling these matters on their own.



Roy



Roy Clare CBE

Chief Executive Officer

Museums Libraries & Archives Council







T: +44 (0) 207 273 1476/9

F: +44 (0) 121 345 7303



[log in to unmask]

www.mla.gov.uk <http://www.mla.gov.uk/>







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From: lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Liz Dubber
Sent: 27 October 2010 21:32
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: budget pressures



Did anyone else hear the programme on radio 4 this morning about
'parliamentary trains'?

These are train services which are maintained at a laughably minimal level
(e.g. one service per week in one direction only!) because it notionally
keeps the service open when the consultation process to close it would be
far more costly.  They are very little used and uneconomic, but running the
train is still cheaper than going through the process of closing the line.



While we face a prospect of numerous library closures as the budgets for
next year start to bite, is there a germ of an idea here for libraries?

Might it be cheaper to maintain a network of service points at drastically
reduced number of hours, rather than face the complexity and expense of
public consultation over closure ( together with the likely high level of
public opposition that suggestions of closure usually generate).



I'm not usually an advocate of such reduced opening hours but this programme
made me look at them a bit differently.

At least the infrastructure is preserved for a possible come-back in the
future.



Liz Dubber














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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I think the point is =
that the current
budget pressures are threatening well used service points, not simply =
the dwindling
or unattractive ones.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The network is =
seriously at
risk, with the possibility of entire communities left without easy =
access to a
library.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>In which case a =
vastly reduced
service might surely be better than none at all and could allow time for
developing longer term delivery and access solutions in partnership with
communities.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>We should surely =
applaud and
thank those campaigners who care enough to fight against closures, and =
work
with them to find new and sustainable ways to improve services for =
all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Otherwise, where will =
we find
the friends and allies to champion libraries now and in the =
future?<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Liz =
Dubber<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<div>

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0cm 0cm 0cm'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roy Clare<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 27 October 2010 21:55<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: budget pressures<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Oh, Liz, but this is happening already in scores of =
councils! <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Like many colleagues on this forum I can list service points =
all
over the place that are being kept open by Ward Councillors keen on =
their
votes. As a result, there are numerous examples of Cabinet-led decisions =
to
block &#8220;library closures&#8221;. These councils are therefore =
unable to
deal with their infrastructure properly, with costs tied up in often =
decrepit,
unattractive buildings that serve small and dwindling numbers of users; =
and
with patchy services to other areas where new (and often rural) =
populations are
starved of library provision. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>This is a perverse situation, in which democratic influences =
keep
open some service points and fail to improve services for the population =
as a
whole.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>In many cases a better library service could result from
properly-managed estate; with overhead costs better controlled; and with =
a more
strategic approach than is enabled by the nation&#8217;s existing =
arrangements
for local government control of public library =
services.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>The MLA has been saying these things for some time and =
&#8211; in
many councils &#8211; receiving a positive hearing for our advice and =
support.
Once the MLA disappears local government will be handling these matters =
on
their own.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Roy<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:gray'>Roy Clare CBE<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:gray'>Chief Executive Officer<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:gray'>Museums Libraries &amp; Archives =
Council<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:gray'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><img width=3D146 height=3D36 id=3D"_x0000_i1026"
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:gray'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:gray'>T: +44 (0) 207 273 1476/9<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:gray'>F: +44 (0) 121 345 7303<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:gray'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:gray'><a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:gray'><a =
href=3D"http://www.mla.gov.uk/">www.mla.gov.uk</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:gray'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Liz Dubber<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 27 October 2010 21:32<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> budget pressures</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Did anyone else hear the programme on radio 4 this =
morning
about &#8216;parliamentary trains&#8217;?<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>These are train services which are maintained at a =
laughably
minimal level (e.g. one service per week in one direction only!) because =
it
notionally keeps the service open when the consultation process to close =
it
would be far more costly.&nbsp; They are very little used and =
uneconomic, but
running the train is still cheaper than going through the process of =
closing
the line.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>While we face a prospect of numerous library =
closures as the
budgets for next year start to bite, is there a germ of an idea here for
libraries?<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Might it be cheaper to maintain a network of =
service points
at drastically reduced number of hours, rather than face the complexity =
and
expense of public consultation over closure ( together with the likely =
high
level of public opposition that suggestions of closure usually =
generate).<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>I&#8217;m not usually an advocate of such reduced =
opening
hours but this programme made me look at them a bit differently.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>At least the infrastructure is preserved for a =
possible
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