It was *meant as a compliment
L
On Thu, October 14, 2010 10:58, andrew burke wrote:
> Thank you, Lawrence - that was a compliment, in fact. & I do take yr
> point about the Notes, so thanks there.
>
> Yes, interesting conflict within me: I started liking to read poetry with
> Milton; I started to like writing poetry with the Beats & jazz poetry.
> Some
> awfully dull poems have been born of my formal interest, and some afwully
> pseudo-hip poems have been born of my writing ego. Some frisson is
> perhaps good for creativity in writing.
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
> On 14 October 2010 16:41, Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
>> That I said nothing on this poem might not seem significant. I hardly
>> ever do, certainly not fc, usually feeling that I hsve nothing useful to
>> say
>>
>> And in this case, at first, I wasn't taken. You say "lumpy" and maybe
>> that's what I thought. I don't know. It wasn't a clear feeling I had.
>>
>> However, the poem wouldn't leave *me and I went back to it; and by the
>> end of the day I had read it a number of times and liked it very much. I
>> didn't say so: I had lost track of time and was in a rush to get to
>> the only railway ticket office I know where they understand their own
>> rules
>>
>> It was, in some ways, still with me this morning, despite a hell
>> journey, but muffled because of the hell journey.
>>
>> I do think it's time I said this: that, not quite extracted from its
>> ore, yet, you have a rather interesting poem, interesting here meaning
>> interesting and not "I don't have anything to say"
>>
>> It does need more work, as you say; and having formalism and
>> projectivism fighting is no bad thing: you wouldn't want one to win!
>>
>> Maybe take the _notes_ off _hospital notes_. They aren't notes any more
>> though they may have originated that way; but if you point readers to
>> their note attributes then you overemphasise that aspect
>>
>> best I can do
>>
>> L
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, October 14, 2010 01:23, andrew burke wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all. Well, Doug, they are - of course - surgical stockings.
>>> I
>>> was a bit surprised I had to wear 'em the night before the op, but
>>> there you go: we are innocents led to our slaughter.
>>>
>>> It started out as a mish-mash of scribbled notes, some of which were
>>> less than clear - written in the semi-dark with a mind set free of its
>>> anchor by drugs. I typed them up, but was so disappointed in them, I
>>> left them ...
>>> until the other day I read another interview with Rae Armantrout where
>>>
>> she
>>> discussed her method of composition. This encouraged me to go back to
>>> them and cut away the filigree and detritus. One huge surgical
>>> session left me hopeful there was a cohesive poem there; another two
>>> or three cutting sessions left me with this shape. It is still
>>> remarkably lumpy (especially
>>> when I put back the prose bits - I must work on those more) but maybe
>> that
>>> is what it is meant to be. There is a formalist inside me who fights
>>> with the Projectivist!
>>>
>>> Are the 'best' poems often unsettling in their gestation? I find my
>>> most praised poems are often ones I still have issues with. Go figure.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone have a distinct dislike for parts or all of it? I have my
>>> armour on today, so feel free to fire away ...
>>>
>>> Thanks for asking, Max. I am much much better - I have been spreading
>>> about 8 cubic metres of mulch around our gardens since it arrived
>>> yesterday. I could not have even wheeled the wheelbarrow 13 or 14
>>> weeks ago! Now I am enjoying it - amazing.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14 October 2010 07:10, Max Richards <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Tremendous, Andrew.
>>>> Let us know of the writing's developments, etc.
>>>> Trusting you are now very fit.
>>>> Best from Max
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 13/10/10 8:56 PM, "andrew burke" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> *(Hoping the formatting stays steady, at least in Rich
>>>>> Formatting)*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *łA man weeps first with his eyes.˛*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Hospital Notes July 2010 *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am Bed 6GC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> beside the helipad.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andrew
>>> http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
>>> 'Mother Waits for Father Late' republished available at
>>> http://www.picaropress.com/
>>> http://www.qlrs.com/poem.asp?id=766
>>> http://frankshome.org/AndrewBurke.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.cordite.org.au/poetry/creativecommons/poems-for-ivor-cutler-3
>>
>>
>> http://www.cordite.org.au/poetry/cc-the-remixes/the-man-who-finds-himse
>> lf-amusing
>>
>>
>> "This is not a time for foolery, or compliments. It may be that both of
>> us are within a few minutes of death... And I, at any rate, don't
>> propose to die with polite insincerities in my mouth. " C S Lewis - That
>> Hideous Strength
>> ---
>> Lawrence Upton
>> AHRC Creative Research Fellow
>> Dept of Music
>> Goldsmiths, University of London
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Andrew
> http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
> 'Mother Waits for Father Late' republished available at
> http://www.picaropress.com/
> http://www.qlrs.com/poem.asp?id=766
> http://frankshome.org/AndrewBurke.html
>
>
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http://www.cordite.org.au/poetry/creativecommons/poems-for-ivor-cutler-3
http://www.cordite.org.au/poetry/cc-the-remixes/the-man-who-finds-himself-amusing
"This is not a time for foolery, or compliments. It may be that both of us
are within a few minutes of death... And I, at any rate, don't propose to
die with polite insincerities in my mouth. "
C S Lewis - That Hideous Strength
---
Lawrence Upton
AHRC Creative Research Fellow
Dept of Music
Goldsmiths, University of London
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