Its lucky Ireland began with an "I" then isn't it :)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of J Coles
> Sent: 14 September 2010 16:39
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Getting Tier2 BDII configs consistent
>
>
> In the NGI era we can interpret the prefix UKI not as UK &
> Ireland but
> UK Infrastructure! The reason for renaming was just
> to gather our sites together in tool interfaces that previously only
> sorted sites alphabetically and ignored other information
> provided in
> the GOCDB.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> On 14 Sep 2010, at 16:33, Alessandra Forti wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > cheers
> > alessandra
> >
> > On 09/14/2010 04:32 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> >> That would be the discussion that left you with UKI names?
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Alessandra Forti [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >>> Sent: 14 September 2010 16:14
> >>> To: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
> >>> Cc: Gordon, John (STFC,RAL,ESC)
> >>> Subject: Re: Getting Tier2 BDII configs consistent
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> When there was the internal discussion to adopt more logical and
> >>> uniform names across the UK, RAL didn't change it and sticked to
> >>> RAL-LCG2. It wasn't an official request just a way to
> make the sites
> >>> easy to select and recognisable.
> >>>
> >>> cheers
> >>> alessandra
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 09/14/2010 03:40 PM, John Gordon wrote:
> >>>> I don't think it is a case of RAL 'refusing' to change
> their name.
> >>> We've
> >>>> never been officially requested to change the name in
> GOCDB etc.
> >>>> The
> >>> MoU
> >>>> name is used in the Tier1 accounting and other reports
> >>>>
> http://www3.egee.cesga.es/gridsite/accounting/CESGA/tier1_view.html
> >>> but
> >>>> if you drill down to other sites (eg Lyon) you will see that they
> >>> also
> >>>> retain their longtime names.
> >>>>
> >>>> I see no justification for experiments referring to RAL by yet
> >>> another
> >>>> name though.
> >>>>
> >>>> John
> >>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes [mailto:TB-
> >>>>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alessandra Forti
> >>>>> Sent: 14 September 2010 14:56
> >>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Getting Tier2 BDII configs consistent
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Jeremy,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I didn't know anything about this name up to now as RAL always
> >>> refused
> >>>>> to change their name. Manchester is using the name in
> the GOCDB.
> >>>>> It
> >>>>> seems UK-T1-RAL is the official name in the WLCG MoU
> though and a
> >>>> quick
> >>>>> google search shows it has propagated to the LHCOPN pages where
> >> they
> >>>>> most likely refer to the MoU names.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> cheers
> >>>>> alessandra
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 09/14/2010 02:42 PM, J Coles wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Richard
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We should adopt the official name which is given in
> the GOCDB and
> >>>>> that
> >>>>>> is RAL-LCG2. Unless of course the Tier-1 intends to rename
> >>>>>> itself.
> >>>>>> Perhaps those using UK-T1-RAL (which is a more logical name)
> >>>>>> could
> >>>>>> explain where it came from initially?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Jeremy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 14 Sep 2010, at 14:24, Hellier, Richard
> (STFC,RAL,ESC) wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sam,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As to origin, your guess is as good as mine! What I
> wanted to
> >>>>>>> do
> >>>>> was
> >>>>>>> stimulate some discussion and agree on one label every T2 can
> >> use.
> >>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Richard.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
> >>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sam Skipsey
> >>>>>>> Sent: 14 September 2010 14:06
> >>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Getting Tier2 BDII configs consistent
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Richard,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Did you consider that this may be an artifact of other things
> >>> (YAIM
> >>>>>>> configuration settings, for example) changing? It's possible
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> mapping is correlated with the last time the BDIIs were each
> >>>>>>> reconfigured. (RAL-LCG2 is certainly a valid, old, default.)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sam
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 14 September 2010 13:53, Hellier, Richard (STFC,RAL,ESC)
> >>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> While upgrading the RAL top-level BDIIs last week, I
> spotted a
> >>> few
> >>>>>>>> inconsistencies (including the "Latitude Change"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.gridpp.rl.ac.uk/blog/2010/09/14/ral-tier1-takes-
> >>>>> unexpected-excurs
> >>>>>>> ion-to-suffolk/).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The main thing I noticed was that "opinion is
> divided" between
> >>> the
> >>>>> UK
> >>>>>>> Tier2s
> >>>>>>>> on how to refer to the Tier1. According to:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>
> http://goc.grid.sinica.edu.tw/gocwiki/How_to_publish_my_site_i
> nformatio
> >>>>> n
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (link given to me in a GGUS ticket when I queried this), the
> >>>>> parameter
> >>>>>>>> WLCG_PARENT should be set to UK-T1-RAL whereas some sites are
> >>>> using
> >>>>>>>> RAL-LCG2.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Here's the state of play:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> EFDA-JET, RAL-LCG2
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-Brunel, RAL-LCG2
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-IC-HEP, UK-T1-RAL
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-QMUL, UK-T1-RAL
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-RHUL, UK-T1-RAL
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> UKI-LT2-UCL-HEP, UK-T1-RAL
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-LANCS-HEP, RAL-LCG2
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-LIV-HEP, RAL-LCG2
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-MAN-HEP, RAL-LCG2
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> UKI-NORTHGRID-SHEF-HEP, RAL-LCG2
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> UKI-SCOTGRID-DURHAM, RAL-LCG2
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> UKI-SCOTGRID-ECDF, RAL-LCG2
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> UKI-SCOTGRID-GLASGOW, UK-T1-RAL
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-BHAM-HEP, RAL-LCG2
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-BRIS-HEP, RAL-LCG2
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-CAM-HEP, RAL-LCG2
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-OX-HEP, RAL-LCG2
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> UKI-SOUTHGRID-RALPP, UK-T1-RAL
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> AFAIK, nothing is broken by the variation but might
> as well be
> >>>>>>>> tidied up
> >>>>>>>> next time the BDII config is being updated.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Richard.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> PS: The same is true of how Tier1 sites refer to CERN but
> >>>>>>>> that's
> >>>>>>>> another
> >>>>>>>> story ...
>
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