I know what you mean, Mark, but, for instance, I don't think google is
anywhere within a lifetime of digitising everything, e-book readers as a
product suck at present (apart from being not too much fun to read the big
problem is their minimal battery life). Libraries are certainly keen on
promoting electronic media at the expense of print. I don't know, predicting
the future's a chancy game, what will happen to plastic products when oil
starts to run out, for instance? E-books made out of paper :) ? Yes, I do
think the market for quality literature in print will be increasingly for
the few, but I think very low end (no puns intended) will keep going too: by
junk mail I was thinking of the dreaded leaflet through the door rather than
anything delivered by that other threatened species the postie.
On 2 September 2010 06:35, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I think you got it right at the start (well, not the junk mail part). The
> econnomics are pretty compelling. We'll all be walking around with kindles.
> It works like this: the big retailers like amazon demand a bigger and bigger
> cut of print books while promoting ebook sales, which net less for the
> publishers but cost almost nothing to produce and sell for a fraction of the
> cost of books on paper. So books on paper are bought only by the few who
> care about the difference, and are priced higher to offset the demands of
> amazon and company, which further reduces demand. At the same time libraries
> increasingly turn to electronic editions of books and journals, and google
> finishes digitizing every book ever made that's no longer in copyright
> protection, which means that students get used to reading on a screen--it
> becomes the norm. Game over.
>
>
> At 01:14 AM 9/2/2010, you wrote:
>
>> I think it'll survive as junk mail and chapbooks and vanity presses and
>> items for the discerning (i.e. rich and stupid) collector even longer.
>> Seriously, the more the demise of print is fanfared, excuse the execrable
>> verb, the more gets published, and the more secure the supply base for the
>> recycled toilet paper industry appears.
>>
>> On 1 September 2010 17:50, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> > Print will survive in the form of braille for the foreseeable future
>> (note
>> > pun).
>> >
>> >
>> > At 12:46 PM 9/1/2010, you wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hal, you must be waiting for a soft furry bunny laptop(??).
>> >>
>> >> I prefer to reverse the order: "Print abandons the OED". Last I looked
>> >> Print is not going anywhere - just getting a little lonely waiting for
>> a new
>> >> kind of recovery to kick in.
>> >>
>> >> Alphabet tattoos anyone?
>> >>
>> >> Stephen V
>> >> http://stephenvincent.net/blog/
>> >> Where my mom is revived with a new haptic & account et al
>> >>
>> >> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Halvard Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> From: Halvard Johnson <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> Subject: Re: OED abandons print
>> >> To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 7:24 AM
>> >>
>> >> Wanna squash things flat? Hit 'em with
>> >> a laptop.
>> >>
>> >> Hal Serving the tri-state area.
>> >>
>> >> Halvard Johnson
>> >> ================
>> >>
>> >> [log in to unmask]
>> >> http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
>> >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>> >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>> >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>> >> <http://www.hamiltonstone.org>
>> >> *Obras Públicas*
>> >> *
>> >>
>> https://sites.google.com/site/vidalocabooks/halvard-johnson-obras-publicas*
>> >> *
>> >> *
>> >> <http://www.hamiltonstone.org>*The Perfection of Mozart's Third Eye
>> and
>> >> Other Sonnets*
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>> >>
>> >> *Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones*
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Harvest-Entrance-Clones-Halvard-Johnson/dp/0965404390/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1283182804&sr=8-1
>> >>
>> >> *Tango Bouquet*
>> >> <
>> >>
>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27039868/Halvard-Johnson-THE-PERFECTION-OF-MOZART-S-THIRD-EYE-Other-Sonnets
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en
>> >>
>> >> <
>> >>
>> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATDp6rzKkBkhZGZwand2cHdfOWc1Mnh3Zw&hl=en
>> >> >
>> >> *Theory of Harmony*
>> >> *
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall04/theory1.pdf
>> >> *
>> >> *Rapsodie espagnole*
>> >> *
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf
>> >> *
>> >>
>> >> *Guide to the Tokyo Subway*
>> >> *
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Tokyo-Subway-Other-Poems/dp/0971487316/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1283183153&sr=1-3
>> >> *
>> >> *
>> >> *
>> >> *<
>> >>
>> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/rapsodi.pdf
>> >> >The
>> >> Sonnet Project*
>> >> *
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf
>> >> *
>> >> *
>> >> *
>> >> *<
>> >>
>> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/hsonnet.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> G(e)nome*
>> >> *http://xpressed.wippiespace.com/fall03/genome.pdf*
>> >> *
>> >> *
>> >> *Winter Journey*
>> >> http://capa.conncoll.edu/johnson.winter.html
>> >> *
>> >> *
>> >> *Eclipse*
>> >> *http://capa.conncoll.edu/johnson.eclipse.html*
>> >> *
>> >> *
>> >> *The Dance of the Red Swan*
>> >> http://capa.conncoll.edu/johnson.dance.html
>> >>
>> >> *Transparencies & Projections*
>> >> http://capa.conncoll.edu/johnson.transp.html
>> >> *
>> >> *
>> >> * <http://capa.conncoll.edu/johnson.eclipse.html>
>> >> *
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:13 AM, Patrick McManus <
>> >> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > What happened to JO?
>> >> > Also cds are not much good at squashing things flat and keeping
>> flowers
>> >> > pressed !
>> >> > Still I admit the clay tablet edition had it's drawbacks-even if fire
>> >> > resistant
>> >> > P concerned archivista
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>> ]
>> >> On
>> >> > Behalf Of David Bircumshaw
>> >> > Sent: 01 September 2010 07:42
>> >> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> > Subject: Re: OED abandons print
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, the one-volume, Chris. I'd certainly concede that electronic
>> >> storage
>> >> > and retrieval devices, as long as they have competent operating
>> >> software,
>> >> > are better as mass information reference depositories but that in
>> itself
>> >> > sounds like a sentence from an operating manual poorly translated
>> from
>> >> the
>> >> > Chinese.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 31 August 2010 11:06, Chris Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 16:18 +0100, David Bircumshaw wrote:
>> >> > > > None whatsoever, I imagine.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > True, but the shorter two volume edition will remain, from what the
>> >> > > article says.
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > have chronic fatigue syndrome so may be delayed in reply or brain
>> fog
>> >> > weird
>> >> > >
>> >> > > just to let you know that's all, Chris Jones.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Blog: http://abdevpoetics.blogspot.com/
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > (David Joseph) The Brothers Bircumshaw
>> >> > "Every old house was scaffolding once/And workmen whistling"
>> >> > Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>> >> > http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk
>> >> > The Animal Subsides
>> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>> >> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
>> >> > blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape.
>> > $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm
>> >
>> >
>> > "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of
>> > particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and
>> through
>> > every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss’
>> > fragments are like Chekhov’s short storiesthe more that gets left out,
>> the
>> > more they seem to contain… One can hear echoes from all the various
>> > ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark
>> Weiss.
>> > His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure
>> musical
>> > threnody…[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a
>> > personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem."
>> >
>> > M.G. Stephens, in Jacket.
>> > http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> (David Joseph) The Brothers Bircumshaw
>> "Every old house was scaffolding once/And workmen whistling"
>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk
>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
>> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
>> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/
>>
>
>
>
> New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape.
> $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm
>
>
> "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely concatenation of
> particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, and through
> every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, Weiss’
> fragments are like Chekhov’s short storiesthe more that gets left out, the
> more they seem to contain… One can hear echoes from all the various
> ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure Mark Weiss.
> His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure musical
> threnody…[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, a
> personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the poem."
>
> M.G. Stephens, in Jacket.
> http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml
>
--
(David Joseph) The Brothers Bircumshaw
"Every old house was scaffolding once/And workmen whistling"
Website and A Chide's Alphabet
http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk
The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/
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