i certainly have questions about validity- i can see the value at a very
very broad level . For interest I checked on Obama and he would be
classed as Japanese !


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From: Health of minority ethnic communities in the UK
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David (Central and North West London NHS Foundation Trust)
Sent: 23 September 2010 18:35
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Subject: Re: IT systems identifies cultural identity

So how does this work with second and third generation migrants and
people of mixed heritage when ethnicity has become a more complex
personal position?

How does this system code Barack Obama?

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From: Health of minority ethnic communities in the UK
[[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Upton Collette
(5HQ) BOLTON PCT [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 23 September 2010 14:30
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Subject: Re: IT systems identifies cultural identity

This isn't a new approach. The mechanism of using a system to identify
ethnicity based on name has been around for a while and has numerous
challenges from missing ethnic communities who have traditionally
English/Anglo Saxon names such as black Africans to assuming ethnicity
and not allowing people to self identify.

That said, in the absence of good quality ethnicity data across all of
our GPs, we have used this systems ourselves to give us a rough map of
patient ethnicity by GP geography. I'd be cautious about using for
anything other than a rough picture though.

Collette Upton
Equality & Diversity Manager
NHS Bolton

-----Original Message-----
From: Health of minority ethnic communities in the UK
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of G.F.Boahen
Sent: 23 September 2010 14:07
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Subject: Re: IT systems identifies cultural identity

Jo, check this story below. At the risk of a hyperbole, isn't this the
kind of software that Hitler would have loved? Its a little scary...
 GodfredBoahen
PhD Student
Faculty of Health and Social Care
The Open University
Research interests: ethnicity, learning difficulty, mental capacity,
social work practice.
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Sent: 23 September 2010 13:24
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Subject: IT systems identifies cultural identity



http://www.guardianpublic.co.uk/ethnic-origins-diversity-public-sector

I came across this article about a new IT systems called Origins info
http://www.originsinfo.eu/

I wander if people think this has a value ?


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