The impression I have with regard to Velib, from mobility activists and researches in Paris, is that the broken/stolen figures are nothing like that reported in the press - that it's more like 5%, if that...
But having said that, all these figures, no matter how low, seem like cycling paradise to me in Cape Town, where there's not a bike-share in sight...
On 05 Aug 2010, at 10:32 AM, Peter Wood wrote:
> Regarding the 10,000 velibs, isn't that number rather misleading
> considering that half of them are broken/stolen at any one time (
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7881079.stm although the
> article is quite dated now). I head somewhere that this has recently
> hit 2/3, and that the contract with the managing/advertising agency
> has been re-negotiated because it's not able to cover costs and
> maintain the system. I'd like to know where these hearsay stats
> originate.
>
> Also, given this, isn't the reason that London has fewer bikes because
> they need to get a smaller number of unbreakable bikes?
> Alternatively, am I just extending the lycra-warrior, helmet-or-death
> fear of cycling narrative to the infrastructure?
>
> Pete
>
> (Serco's mishandling of the launch and the complete failure to get the
> payment system sorted in time is still inexcusable, but it does
> partially explain why the rental rates are so low.)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:01 AM, CYCLING-AND-SOCIETY automatic digest
> system <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> There are 8 messages totaling 1826 lines in this issue.
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>> Topics of the day:
>>
>> 1. Cycle hire at UK rail stations - web survey (2)
>> 2. Cycle hire at UK rail stations - web survey... Potential to justify
>> £2500/year economic benefit per cycle-rail commuter (3)
>> 3. Barclays cycle hire (3)
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:45:37 +0100
>> From: "Veitch, Alex" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Cycle hire at UK rail stations - web survey
>>
>> Thanks Andrew - very interesting. Just to bring you and others on the list up to date on Waterloo:
>>
>> Network Rail have now installed over 500 cycle spaces at Waterloo - £200,000 was spent on the latest set of double-decker racks. Here's a picture of the new Transport Minister Norman Baker MP at the formal opening http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/4576
>>
>> Also Waterloo has for the last year or two been the venue for the one of the first long-term cycle hire schemes, using Brompton bikes and operating out of the Left Luggage office! It was invented and is managed by South West Trains, the train operator using the station. It is targeted to regular commuters and is working well. More info here: http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/bromptonbikes.aspx
>>
>> Personally (this really is just a personal view) I'm disappointed that TfL didn't put some docking stations right next to major stations, and I'd like to see your studies on this if that would be possible to get more background on the issues. Perhaps we could liaise off-list?
>>
>> All the best and thanks again for the information, very interesting
>>
>> Alex Veitch
>> Integrated Transport Manager
>> ATOC - Association of Train Operating Companies
>> (T) 020 7841 8052
>> (M) 07825 376 130
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrew Smith [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: 03 August 2010 18:35
>> To: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list
>> Cc: Veitch, Alex
>> Subject: Re: [CYCLING-AND-SOCIETY] Cycle hire at UK rail stations - web survey
>>
>> Hello there Alex,
>>
>>> Over the summer we have been doing some research into the potential for
>>> cycle hire at UK rail stations, which has involved gathering case study
>>> evidence and interviewing stakeholders. We are keen to get the views of
>>> as many cyclists and rail passengers as possible, so we have produced a
>>> short web survey.
>>
>> A TfL study at Waterloo found a potential after-rail cycle market of
>> around 30%. As ever, London is spoiled for high-quality high-volume
>> travel data, including lots of info on how far people travel after
>> coming off the train.
>>
>> I did one of the demand-assessment studies for the TfL cycle hire
>> scheme, including demand at rail stations. Rail termini offer a huge
>> potential market. The commercial issue is that the bikes would only get
>> used twice a day - once to go from station to place of work, then once
>> back again, making the Vélib model entirely unsuitable.
>>
>> In the Netherlands, there's a long-term hire scheme (or at least, there
>> used to be, a few years back): there were enough cyclists using the
>> busiest stations to merit an on-site bike hire, storage and repair shop.
>> You could hire an old clunker from them for a day, a week, a month, or
>> so. I think the place at Den Haag HS was called "Hans Rijwiel". I
>> haven't been back there in about a decade, but it could well still be there.
>>
>> Bottom line is that it's hard to make it make sense, commercially,
>> unless it's a small part of a big bike+rail programme. Good cycle
>> facilities at a station can significantly broaden the station's rail
>> market, so it's certainly worth the rail system's while to improve
>> station rail facilities: the key to this is secure parking, and lots of
>> it. Kings Cross could do with a couple of thousand spaces, Waterloo
>> could do with three or four times that. Usual ped accessibility rules
>> apply - the cycle park needs to be visible from the station entrance,
>> and within a very short distance of it. Burying them at the far end of
>> platform 17 is an epic fail.
>>
>> Hope this is useful - happy to discuss further, if you like.
>>
>> It's probably worth asking over on the [log in to unmask]
>> list too, if you haven't already.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrew
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>> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:07:29 +0100
>> From: Dave Holladay <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Cycle hire at UK rail stations - web survey... Potential to justify £2500/year economic benefit per cycle-rail commuter
>>
>> [Message contains invalid MIME fields or encoding and could not be processed]
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:20:07 +0200
>> From: Eva Heinen - OTB <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Cycle hire at UK rail stations - web survey... Potential to justify £2500/year economic benefit per cycle-rail commuter
>>
>> A bit more from the Dutch perspective:
>>
>> Indeed the most common place to rent bikes at the station is the OV-fiets (public transport bikes). You first need to be a member, which costs a little less than 10 euros, and the rent itself costs 2,85 for up to 20 hours. They also rent out scooters. You could take the bike to another OV-fiets point, but this will costs an additional 10 euros. The OV-fiets is growing: in numbers, use and spots where you can rent them.
>> I believe it is an NS-'service', not from Prorail (which is responsible for the tracks).
>>
>> Another option at some Dutch railway stations is to rent a bike, from another spot. This normally costs around 7 euros a days (depending on the location), and is a cheaper option it you would only rent once.
>>
>> Hope this is of any help.
>>
>> Eva Heinen
>> Delft University of Technology
>> Netherlands
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list on behalf of Dave Holladay
>> Sent: Wed 8/4/2010 2:07 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Cycle hire at UK rail stations - web survey... Potential to justify £2500/year economic benefit per cycle-rail commuter
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> The Dutch model has been refined to deliver bikes which a subscriber can hire from automated points for under ?3 per day - look up www.ov-fiets.nl This is a 160 location operation in addition to the 80 or so cycle centres which are owned by NS (Pro-rail I'd guess) and managed on a concession basis, where there is a National tariff for cycle hire and parking, and the concesssion operator can enhance this with longer opening hours and added value services.
>>
>> OV Fiets bikes ar very simple and basic step through frames (Gazelle I think)and the Dutch urban bike simplicity (1 speed coaster brake) applies. Modern foams mean that many utility hire fleets require a minimum of attention
>>
>> At Amsterdam Sud, the scheme has experimented with inbound and outbound commuters, offering a free hire to those who take bike s home at night, and reducing the need for storage.
>>
>> The Paris bike hire scheme - sponsored by RATP and now running for around 2 decades (ie not VeLib) solved the tidal flow issue by hiring bikes from converted single deck buses (60 per bus) and switching the buses over as they filled or emptied - at Velo City in Paris around 1000 bikes were fed in to the mass ride and then collected by a fleet of at least 7 buses (I have pictures). I believe Roue Libre is still operating
>>
>> I note also that rather than whine about the Barclays 'connections' some protesters have instead resorted to a very well executed subvertising campaign (http://twitpic.com/29tf1o) using the TfL Bike Sharing scheme, something that might flag a caveat on any scheme that is likely to rely on sponsorship or branding, although the TEC and SWT folding bike leasing schemes, OV-Fiets, and Call-a-Bike have a safer option of gaining the brand benefits for the train or bus operators promoting them. Copenhagen has funded the running costs since 1995 with branding, but sells blocks of bikes rather than the whole fleet, with a tariff posted on their website.
>>
>> For Waterloo I have photos taken in 2002, shortly after the cycle lane of Station Approach was opened - roughly 30 spaces, neatly parked, and now we have 320 spaces at the same location and the 2006-07 period (Waterloo & City Line closure) saw the cycle parking demand so great that assistance was often required to get a bike out. No real detail on past levels of activity but currently 250 bikes/hour going through the main cycle access 40% Brompton 20% other folders 40% conventional bikes, and 2 train-loads from TfL figures, riding alternative to using W&C Tube. A lot of Waterloo footfall goes directly to Tube, and likely that this will hold up - so a direct 5% of footfall requirement for cycle parking is likely to be an over-estimate. (If the W&C effect and the similar Thameslink effect in 2004-05 had been measured we might have some useful tools) We may be missing a current intervention at Paddington where the H&C trains are not running for a month between Hammersmith and Edgware Road and passengers will make alternative choices in modal/route switch. Cycling may well feature here as a better option than the rail replacement bus services.
>>
>> Do consider some possible local surveys of cycle-rail users - we have no real profile of the current users from which the potential for future demand/planned growth can be modelled, and the potential 'value' to rail operators, users, and local economy can be assessed. (a typical bike-rail-bike commute can save up to an hour in each direction per passenger - a CBR figure of £10 per passenger to the cost of the scheme per day or £2,500/year per passenger(cyclist) can be justified as spending on cycle facilities at stations. To this we might add that each rail traveller could carry out work on the train, which would not be possible if they were. What hourly rate per passenger might be justified here to account for the benefit?
>>
>> Dave Holladay
>> Glasgow
>> 07 710 535 404
>>
>> Veitch, Alex wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Andrew - very interesting. Just to bring you and others on the list up to date on Waterloo:
>>
>> Network Rail have now installed over 500 cycle spaces at Waterloo - £200,000 was spent on the latest set of double-decker racks. Here's a picture of the new Transport Minister Norman Baker MP at the formal opening http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/4576
>>
>> Also Waterloo has for the last year or two been the venue for the one of the first long-term cycle hire schemes, using Brompton bikes and operating out of the Left Luggage office! It was invented and is managed by South West Trains, the train operator using the station. It is targeted to regular commuters and is working well. More info here: http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/bromptonbikes.aspx
>>
>> Personally (this really is just a personal view) I'm disappointed that TfL didn't put some docking stations right next to major stations, and I'd like to see your studies on this if that would be possible to get more background on the issues. Perhaps we could liaise off-list?
>>
>> All the best and thanks again for the information, very interesting
>>
>> Alex Veitch
>> Integrated Transport Manager
>> ATOC - Association of Train Operating Companies
>> (T) 020 7841 8052
>> (M) 07825 376 130
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrew Smith [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: 03 August 2010 18:35
>> To: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list
>> Cc: Veitch, Alex
>> Subject: Re: [CYCLING-AND-SOCIETY] Cycle hire at UK rail stations - web survey
>>
>> Hello there Alex,
>>
>>
>>
>> Over the summer we have been doing some research into the potential for
>> cycle hire at UK rail stations, which has involved gathering case study
>> evidence and interviewing stakeholders. We are keen to get the views of
>> as many cyclists and rail passengers as possible, so we have produced a
>> short web survey.
>>
>>
>>
>> A TfL study at Waterloo found a potential after-rail cycle market of
>> around 30%. As ever, London is spoiled for high-quality high-volume
>> travel data, including lots of info on how far people travel after
>> coming off the train.
>>
>> I did one of the demand-assessment studies for the TfL cycle hire
>> scheme, including demand at rail stations. Rail termini offer a huge
>> potential market. The commercial issue is that the bikes would only get
>> used twice a day - once to go from station to place of work, then once
>> back again, making the Vélib model entirely unsuitable.
>>
>> In the Netherlands, there's a long-term hire scheme (or at least, there
>> used to be, a few years back): there were enough cyclists using the
>> busiest stations to merit an on-site bike hire, storage and repair shop.
>> You could hire an old clunker from them for a day, a week, a month, or
>> so. I think the place at Den Haag HS was called "Hans Rijwiel". I
>> haven't been back there in about a decade, but it could well still be there.
>>
>> Bottom line is that it's hard to make it make sense, commercially,
>> unless it's a small part of a big bike+rail programme. Good cycle
>> facilities at a station can significantly broaden the station's rail
>> market, so it's certainly worth the rail system's while to improve
>> station rail facilities: the key to this is secure parking, and lots of
>> it. Kings Cross could do with a couple of thousand spaces, Waterloo
>> could do with three or four times that. Usual ped accessibility rules
>> apply - the cycle park needs to be visible from the station entrance,
>> and within a very short distance of it. Burying them at the far end of
>> platform 17 is an epic fail.
>>
>> Hope this is useful - happy to discuss further, if you like.
>>
>> It's probably worth asking over on the [log in to unmask]
>> list too, if you haven't already.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:32:40 +0100
>> From: Dave Holladay <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Cycle hire at UK rail stations - web survey... Potential to justify £2500/year economic benefit per cycle-rail commuter
>>
>> [Message contains invalid MIME fields or encoding and could not be processed]
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:59:01 +0100
>> From: john meudell <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Cycle hire at UK rail stations - web survey
>>
>> Andrew/Alex
>>
>> From what I can gather, there's two schemes working in parallel in Holland.
>> The one you describe is the older scheme, that's been operated at many
>> stations there for as long as lived there (since the mid 70's).
>>
>> The scheme is operated by NS with the cost of hire being harmonized with the
>> cost of taking a bike on the train (in fact, when I last used it they've
>> were the same). One of the advantages over the newer (and higher profile)
>> scheme is that you only have to produce your rail ticket at the local rail
>> station, get a token and hand it over to the hire staff along with a
>> deposit. There was no need to pre-register and give bank details
>> (impossible for visitors without EU bank accounts). Most of these bike hire
>> shops are at stations with indoor secure parking and, in many cases, on-site
>> repair facilities so (as has been suggested) is limited to stations adjacent
>> to town centres or commercial/industrial locations.
>>
>> In some cases there are hire facilities provided by local bike shops that
>> are close to the station (which are advertised on the NS list of cycle hire
>> facilities). As Andrew describes the bikes, both the NS scheme and bike
>> shops linked to that scheme, tend to be "clunkers", so cheap to acquire and
>> maintain. The whole system is easy to access and on-demand, unlike
>> equivalents that require membership and (pre-)booking. That said, I'm not
>> sure demand for hire bikes at individual stations is that high, as commuters
>> more often than not leave bikes at destination stations, so the demand comes
>> almost exclusively from spot hires (at stations). I'm sure NS would be in a
>> better position to provide an insight into their provisions.
>>
>> Tourist (term) hire is separate issue, and there are a host of companies in
>> the Netherlands that specialize in term hire, although more often than not
>> located away from the immediate environs of NS stations (e.g. Mac Bike in
>> Amsterdam). Campsites and hostels (such as farms with accomodation) often
>> have their own schemes or run one in conjunction with local bike shops).
>>
>>
>> I am not convinced that the economic case for bike hire is there at this
>> stage in the development of cycling in this country....the costs are too
>> high in comparison to just simply providing more good quality cycle parking.
>> It's quite interesting taking the economic case for improved cycle parking,
>> done by Steer Davies Gleave for the Cycle Rail Task Force, and extending the
>> analysis by adding the equivalent cost profiles for bike hire. On that
>> basis the (economic) preference will always be for increased parking until
>> the limit of passenger owned bike-to/from-the-station potential is reached.
>>
>>
>> I'd note that, from the point of view of estimating demand for cycle
>> parking, the SDG analysis is particularly weak. Despite statements claiming
>> that the model validates well against the three stations surveyed,
>> examination of the model applied to a wider range of other stations, and
>> their associated actual cycle parking usage, the error band proved to be way
>> out, in some cases under-estimating demand by up to 550%.
>>
>> Rather interestingly, I've been monitoring parking usage at my local station
>> for a number of years, and seen a progressive ramping up of demand over the
>> years since the DfT/CTC survey was carried out. It was particularly notable
>> during the petrol price peak in summer 2008, since when it has fallen back
>> and stabilised, even though petrol prices have slowly climbed back to around
>> the same peak (which I would put down to the "frog in water" syndrome).
>> That suggests that the presence of external stimulae and locational factors
>> is as important as the presence of cycle parking (probably more so).
>>
>> Separately I've had the opportunity to carry out a large scale survey (1300
>> respondents) in the station catchment area. A notable finding is that cycle
>> ownership amongst rail season ticket holders is considerably higher than in
>> the general population, 65% as opposed to 48%. That suggests that the
>> market for multi-modal rail-cycle facilities has a lot of potential, indeed
>> far greater than the SDG study would suggest.
>>
>> That leads me to conclude that the value-for-money priority is to increase
>> cycle parking (for multi-modal commuting and general utility use), as
>> opposed to relatively high front-end cost, high (operational and financial)
>> risk cycle hire with limited market potential. In the meantime a much
>> better model for estimating demand (at stations) is required.
>>
>>
>> I went through Waterloo yesterday and had a look at the new facility and I
>> have to say I was somewhat under-whelmed (although I was told it had only
>> opened a few weeks ago and it was in the middle of the day when most
>> commuter users were in work). The biggest omission is a roof. On the
>> continent most utility bikes, as they have enclosed chain cases and (as a
>> consequence) hub gears, are reasonably weather/corrosian resistant (well
>> that plus the copious quantities of grahite grease they put on chains!). In
>> this country open derailleur drivetrains pre-dominate and, when subject to
>> constant deluge, corrode like crazy. So why is it that there's no roof over
>> the parking?
>>
>> I also think there's too little manoevring space along the back for people
>> going into the parking, potentially creating conflicts with those cycling in
>> on the segregated cycle path down to York Road (avoiding the tails of
>> British Transport Police vehicles that are parked sticking over the kerb
>> onto the path).
>>
>> This highlights another issue, the lack of thought that goes into access
>> arrangement from principal routes at stations. A great example of this is
>> the way that dutch (NS/ProRail) transport planners and engineers have
>> thought through the new cycle parking provision at Amsterdam Station,
>> creating a new tunnel under the station adjacent to the new covered parking.
>> Admittedly this takes advantage of the revised public transport/taxi
>> arrangements (and an ultra-large re-development project) at the re-developed
>> station, but it does mean that they thought about it on day 1. The Waterloo
>> layout looks like extensions will continue to be made on the British
>> traditional piecemeal basis....(forgive me, I've worked as professional
>> engineering designer, planner and analyst in a number of countries around
>> the globe for the last forty years, and the British approach drives me
>> crazy).
>>
>> I've had hoped to attach a Powerpoint slide (and animation) showing the
>> layout at Assen station (in Drenthe) to highlight layout considerations of
>> modal integration and the emphasis put on user convenience....but this forum
>> can't accept attachments, pity!
>>
>> It'd be nice if our transport planners and providers thought about
>> travellers (let alone the nature of their experience) once in a while.....!
>>
>> John Meudell
>> C.Eng, MIMechE
>> CTC National Council
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Veitch, Alex
>> Sent: 04 August 2010 09:46
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Cycle hire at UK rail stations - web survey
>>
>>
>> Thanks Andrew - very interesting. Just to bring you and others on the list
>> up to date on Waterloo:
>>
>> Network Rail have now installed over 500 cycle spaces at Waterloo - £200,000
>> was spent on the latest set of double-decker racks. Here's a picture of the
>> new Transport Minister Norman Baker MP at the formal opening
>> http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/4576
>>
>> Also Waterloo has for the last year or two been the venue for the one of the
>> first long-term cycle hire schemes, using Brompton bikes and operating out
>> of the Left Luggage office! It was invented and is managed by South West
>> Trains, the train operator using the station. It is targeted to regular
>> commuters and is working well. More info here:
>> http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/bromptonbikes.aspx
>>
>> Personally (this really is just a personal view) I'm disappointed that TfL
>> didn't put some docking stations right next to major stations, and I'd like
>> to see your studies on this if that would be possible to get more background
>> on the issues. Perhaps we could liaise off-list?
>>
>> All the best and thanks again for the information, very interesting
>>
>> Alex Veitch
>> Integrated Transport Manager
>> ATOC - Association of Train Operating Companies
>> (T) 020 7841 8052
>> (M) 07825 376 130
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrew Smith [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: 03 August 2010 18:35
>> To: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list
>> Cc: Veitch, Alex
>> Subject: Re: [CYCLING-AND-SOCIETY] Cycle hire at UK rail stations - web
>> survey
>>
>> Hello there Alex,
>>
>>> Over the summer we have been doing some research into the potential
>>> for cycle hire at UK rail stations, which has involved gathering case
>>> study evidence and interviewing stakeholders. We are keen to get the
>>> views of as many cyclists and rail passengers as possible, so we have
>>> produced a short web survey.
>>
>> A TfL study at Waterloo found a potential after-rail cycle market of
>> around 30%. As ever, London is spoiled for high-quality high-volume
>> travel data, including lots of info on how far people travel after
>> coming off the train.
>>
>> I did one of the demand-assessment studies for the TfL cycle hire
>> scheme, including demand at rail stations. Rail termini offer a huge
>> potential market. The commercial issue is that the bikes would only get
>> used twice a day - once to go from station to place of work, then once
>> back again, making the Vélib model entirely unsuitable.
>>
>> In the Netherlands, there's a long-term hire scheme (or at least, there
>> used to be, a few years back): there were enough cyclists using the
>> busiest stations to merit an on-site bike hire, storage and repair shop.
>> You could hire an old clunker from them for a day, a week, a month, or
>> so. I think the place at Den Haag HS was called "Hans Rijwiel". I
>> haven't been back there in about a decade, but it could well still be there.
>>
>> Bottom line is that it's hard to make it make sense, commercially,
>> unless it's a small part of a big bike+rail programme. Good cycle
>> facilities at a station can significantly broaden the station's rail
>> market, so it's certainly worth the rail system's while to improve
>> station rail facilities: the key to this is secure parking, and lots of
>> it. Kings Cross could do with a couple of thousand spaces, Waterloo
>> could do with three or four times that. Usual ped accessibility rules
>> apply - the cycle park needs to be visible from the station entrance,
>> and within a very short distance of it. Burying them at the far end of
>> platform 17 is an epic fail.
>>
>> Hope this is useful - happy to discuss further, if you like.
>>
>> It's probably worth asking over on the [log in to unmask]
>> list too, if you haven't already.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrew
>> --
>> Director, London Analytics Ltd
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>> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 18:01:03 +0100
>> From: Ian Perry <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Barclays cycle hire
>>
>> Hi ,
>> Following on from Dave Holladay's post on another thread:
>>
>> The figures I've seen reported for London suggest that each Barclays Bike
>> was hired just once a day over the first three days.
>>
>> Each Velib in Paris is used 4 to 8 times a day. London's once a day is not
>> a disaster, but not what should be hoped for.
>>
>> London has 12,000 subscribers, but after just one year Paris had 198,913
>> annual subscribers (approx 12.5 annual subscribers per bike at that time),
>> plus 277,193 seven days subscribers plus another 3,683,714 one day
>> subscribers. 26 million trips were made and they averaged 18 minutes each.
>>
>> London will eventually have 6,000 bikes... and eventually 400 stations,
>> with more expected to follow in stages. Paris launched with 10,000 bikes
>> (with all wheels turning freely and locks) and 800 docking stations (that
>> allowed daily subscriptions, bikes to release and confirmed bike returns).
>>
>> Paris had also included a cycling infrastructure as part of the Velib
>> scheme, whereas London has those much ridiculed blue super highways that do
>> not appear to be relevant to the Barclays Cycle Hire scheme.
>>
>>
>> It is just my personal view, but I think that London is not offering a
>> complete package... and needs to get its bike-sharing scheme working
>> properly, fast!
>>
>> Ian.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 21:21:22 +0100
>> From: Damien O'Tuama <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Barclays cycle hire
>>
>> Greetings from Dublin,
>>
>> I would suggest that it is very early days with the London scheme. The
>> Dublin scheme was launched in September 2009 and it built up its popularity
>> steadily.
>>
>> It is the JC Decaux scheme - run by them for Dublin City Council. We only
>> have 450 bikes and 40 stations located within the inner canal cordon (approx
>> 1.5 X 1.5 miles). There are now approximately 22,000 annual subscribers
>> (€10/year, 1st half hour is free) + at least 10,000 3-day subscriptions
>> (€2). There are around 4000 trips/day i.e. 9 per bike per day. The scheme
>> is now being expanded to 550 bikes, and from 795 to 1087 stands. Early
>> indications (from a small pilot study) suggest that around 1/3 of the trips
>> are linking to another public transport mode - either heavy rail, light rail
>> or bus.
>>
>> Most impressively, the profile of the 'typical' Dublin Bikes user is
>> different from 'the typical' commuter cyclist. Essentially we are seeing
>> far more users in suits (with brief cases carried in the baskets) and
>> glamorous dresses than we see on non-Dublin Bikes. It does seem to be
>> helping to change the culture of the city - i.e. helping to mainstream
>> cycling.
>>
>> For recent Irish Times article, see
>> www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0423/1224268952124.html
>>
>> Regards,
>> Damien
>>
>> Damien Ó Tuama
>> Postgraduate Student
>> [log in to unmask]
>> Department of Sociology
>> Trinity College Dublin
>> 3 College Green
>> Dublin 2,
>> Ireland.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4 August 2010 18:01, Ian Perry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi ,
>>> Following on from Dave Holladay's post on another thread:
>>>
>>> The figures I've seen reported for London suggest that each Barclays Bike
>>> was hired just once a day over the first three days.
>>>
>>> Each Velib in Paris is used 4 to 8 times a day. London's once a day is not
>>> a disaster, but not what should be hoped for.
>>>
>>> London has 12,000 subscribers, but after just one year Paris had 198,913
>>> annual subscribers (approx 12.5 annual subscribers per bike at that time),
>>> plus 277,193 seven days subscribers plus another 3,683,714 one day
>>> subscribers. 26 million trips were made and they averaged 18 minutes each.
>>>
>>> London will eventually have 6,000 bikes... and eventually 400 stations,
>>> with more expected to follow in stages. Paris launched with 10,000 bikes
>>> (with all wheels turning freely and locks) and 800 docking stations (that
>>> allowed daily subscriptions, bikes to release and confirmed bike returns).
>>>
>>> Paris had also included a cycling infrastructure as part of the Velib
>>> scheme, whereas London has those much ridiculed blue super highways that do
>>> not appear to be relevant to the Barclays Cycle Hire scheme.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is just my personal view, but I think that London is not offering a
>>> complete package... and needs to get its bike-sharing scheme working
>>> properly, fast!
>>>
>>> Ian.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 21:49:27 +0100
>> From: Dave Holladay <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Barclays cycle hire
>>
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>>
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>>
>> End of CYCLING-AND-SOCIETY Digest - 3 Aug 2010 to 4 Aug 2010 (#2010-48)
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