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Subject:

Re: Coalition of the willing

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P Mac <[log in to unmask]>

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P Mac <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 9 Aug 2010 09:00:53 +0100

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2010/8/9, Chris Keene <[log in to unmask]>:
>   That's a brilliant idea!
>
 >Zero Carbon World Concert for a Zero Carbon World, although they
> are closely linked

Some suggestions. One can include the OREF (Open Renewable Energy
Foundation) idea in Appropedia and/or other free website (Appropedia
cannot be the final home, because supports "natural" gas as
sustainable) and give publicity to it in the concert, so one can help
finance the International Foundation. One of the first projects can be
an open hardware wind  microturbine for the developing countries,
between others. This is really  climate justice.


>because we are hoping to bring together all the
> technology you need to run a truly zero carbon event, which includes not
> only powering the event; but also heating the venue (or, probably easier
> in the long run, constructing a venue which doesn't need heating, like a
> Passiv Haus); dealing with waste; publicity; and most difficult of all,
> getting your performers and all their gear, and your audience, to the
> venue without using any oil, using the webpage 'Organise a concert' on
> www.zerocarbonconcert.org
>
You can use (electric) trains, because the do not use oil. Also, if
you can select, use electric vehicles (mainly, plug-in electric buses)
to transport participants from the train station to the concert venue
(one of the OREF must be the conversion of combustion buses into
all-electric buses, because of the big utility for the zero-emision
movement and our cities). Or better, if possible, put the concert near
to the station (this can be also publivity for the train and to use
the train). Another alternative is using (electric) bicycles
(depenfing on the distance); one can put solar charging stations if
necessary.
Regards.

 Peter.
>
>
>
> On 08/08/2010 17:57, P Mac wrote:
>> The idea is creating and using Open Hardware (similar to Linux, but
>> also  applied to hardware).
>>
>> There are some Open Hardware Foundation, but mainly in the computer
>> hardware realm. We need a Open Renewable Energy Hardware Foundation
>> and Wiki site, to encourage technology that can be used in the third
>> world (and also in the first, as the solar guerrilla and electric
>> buses).
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> 2010/8/7, A&M Meikle<[log in to unmask]>:
>>> Yes, copyright, one of the scourges. How did Linux get around that? I
>>> assume
>>> there are no patents involved and the whole idea was never seen as
>>> serious
>>> competition to MS and Apple but am not up on it.
>>>
>>> Mandy
>>>
>>> http://mandymeikle.wordpress.com/
>>> _________________________
>>>
>>> "It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most
>>> intelligent, but the one most responsive to change."
>>> - Charles Darwin
>>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>>    From: Chris Keene
>>>    To: A&M Meikle
>>>    Cc: [log in to unmask]
>>>    Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:16 PM
>>>    Subject: Re: Coalition of the willing
>>>
>>>
>>>    Someone from Denmark sent it me on Facebook, and I sent it around lots
>>> of
>>> lists with a comment that it was very much like the collaboration to find
>>> the most practical ways of delivering zero carbon leisure that we are
>>> carrying out with the zero carbon world concert.
>>>
>>>    I can't remember if I sent it to Crisis Forum.  But in case I didn't
>>> you
>>> can contribute your ideas on zero carbon leisure at our website
>>> www.zerocarbonconcert at the bottom of the page 'Organise a concert' or
>>> join
>>> the email list by sending an email to
>>> [log in to unmask] (note the double 'zz') with
>>> subject SUBSCRIBE.
>>>
>>>    There must be lots of people out there with some ideas on how to
>>> generate
>>> electricity from bicycles etc etc
>>>
>>>    But I think a problem with this approach is where it runs into
>>> intellectual property rights.  The Chinese are complaining that we are
>>> hindering their efforts to develop renewable energy because western
>>> corporations hold the patents.
>>>
>>>    Not only that, they deliberately use patents to block research into
>>> things
>>> that threaten their vested interests. I've got an article by Chris
>>> Moreton
>>> from the Centre for Alternative Technology which includes the following
>>>    "the companies that are designing the more advanced batteries are
>>> being
>>> bought out by the oil companies. The patent for the NiMH batteries is no
>>> longer available, one design was bought by a company named Cobasys who
>>> are
>>> owned by Chevron. They shelved the design so that the batteries can no
>>> longer be made."
>>>
>>>    Chris
>>>
>>>    On 06/08/2010 17:25, A&M Meikle wrote:
>>>      Apologies if this has done the rounds - it's an excellent animation
>>> (15min film on using the internet to tackle climate change a la Open
>>> Source,
>>> Wikipedia etc). There's a link here -
>>> http://www.darkoptimism.org/2010/07/22/coalition-of-the-willing/. Shame
>>> the
>>> focus seems to be on reducing carbon rather than energy demand.
>>>
>>>      Mandy
>>>
>>>      http://mandymeikle.wordpress.com/
>>>      _________________________
>>>
>>>      "It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most
>>> intelligent, but the one most responsive to change."
>>>      - Charles Darwin
>>>
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