Caer can mean fort, fortress, enclosed stronghold, castle, citadel,
fortified town or city and wall, rampart, bulwark and twill
See online Welsh Dictionary
From: "Mike Weatherley" <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 1:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [BRITARCH] Historians locate King Arthurs Round Table
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Briggs" <[log in to unmask]>
>> On 14/07/2010 00:30, Mike Weatherley wrote:
>>> From: "John Briggs"<[log in to unmask]>
>>>> 'Fort of the legions' (Which makes better sense, if you think about
>>>>>From: "Andrew Smith"
>>>>> Does 'Caerleon' not translate in to 'City of the Legion'?
>>>It's actually 'Urbe Legionis' in the original Latin of the H.B. though,
>>>means 'City of the Legion'. [In the Arthurian battle list]...
>>No. "Caer" means 'fortress'.
> Well that may be rather a moot point. I think we were at cross-purposes
> as to the two lists in the H.B. since I gathered people were asking about
> sites of likely (genuine) Arthurian connection. There's the Urbe Legionis
> Arthur's list of 12 battles (which presumably records a 5th c. name in
> and then there's the later, contemporary (9th c.) list of 28 'cities',
> which it
> actually describes in the Latin section 66a heading as 'civitates'
> (cities) but
> which are all prefixed 'Cair...' in the Welsh names of the time.
>>In any event, it is almost always used as the equivalent of "civitas".
> Indeed; which means 'city' in Latin. It gets confusing, doesn't it :o) And
> when we come to Carmarthen (Caerfyrddin) Geoffrey Ashe's Guidebook
> to Arthurian Britain says: "'Caer' means a defended place, and hence,
> sometimes, a city." Not that the etymological link with Merlin is valid
> (sad to say for my fellow Arthurians) as it probably derives its name from
> 'City of the Sea Fortress' - since it would be a bit of a tautology to
> call it
> 'Fortress of the Sea Fortress'. (Although it's not on the coast, it does
> access to the sea.) The -marthen/fyrddin suffix probably derives from the
> earlier Romano-British 'Moridunum', which is likely the same name as a
> coastal hill-fort (and later town?) in south Devon (Sidmouth). That and
> fact that poor Merlin wasn't associated with Arthur until Big Geoff of
> Monmouth fictionalised the story in the 12th c. (what I meant about the
> legend being the one that's destroying the truth, not the other way
> Then again, it gets even more confusing with Dinas Emrys, which you might
> imagine meant a city, even though it was only ever a hill-fort in
> (and quite a small one, at that). However, it does contain the name of
> of Arthur's more historical contemporaries (as mentioned in Gildas).
> Anyway, I don't have time to hang about here chatting; there's a book to
> finish writing.