Dear all,
Thanks for all your comments.
Here are the measurements (if they might help) (no epiphyses):
L Scapula - GL = 46.84
R Scapula - GL = 46.26
L Humerus - GL = 58.11; SD = 10.47; Bp = 23.42; Bd = 24.08
L Radius - GL = 50.04; SD = 9.15; Bp = 13.14; Bd = 16.04
R Radius - GL = 50.35; SD = 9.09; Bp = 13.16; Bd = 16.11
L Ulna - GL = 59.51
R Ulna - GL = 61.28
R Femur - Bp = 20.58
R Tibia - GL = 58.89; SD = 9.56; Bp = 19.98; Bd = 17.15
All the best,
Jonny Geber
Jonny Geber
Osteologist
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From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Allison Grunwald
Sent: 16 June 2010 14:56
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Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] Mystery bones
Interesting, I'd thought bear myself but second-guessed myself with the limb bones. But I've never even personally seen a bear bone other than on paper so I didn't feel confident. The bones have the robusticity of pig, which, plus the scapula, lead me to think bear.
~Allison
On Wednesday 16 June 2010 09:34:30 BOUDADI-MALIGNE wrote:
> Hi
> As I told to Jonny (in a personnal e mail... sorry) I also think that
> it's a carnivore but it's seem quite too robust to be a Canis... I
> think it's more look like a juvenil Ursus. The scapula is very rouned
> and long bones very robust. I have a junevil dog and also a wolf but
> the morphology is not the same
>
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> Le 16 juin 10 à 15:10, Ruth Carden a écrit :
>
> > Hi Jonny and Fiona,
> >
> > I would agree with Fiona, from carnivore origins. I have young fox
> > and they appear similar to these, but much smaller in size. I do
> > have a puppy (about 1-2mths old) in my personal collection and they
> > are similar to these photos for same bones, and for all the reasons
> > Fiona gave.
> >
> > I don't have my copy of T. Amorosi's bone guide to neonatal and
> > domestic animal bones to hand until later this afternoon, but I can
> > check in there too if you wish.
> >
> > Best wishes - Ruth
> >
> >
> >
> > On 16 June 2010 13:23, fiona beglane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Hi Jonny
> > The scapulae look like they are from a carnivore (see the curved
> > edge) - so that narrows it down. Also the form of the metapodials
> > is from something with several toes. Just looking at the rest of
> > them - I would guess at dog i.e. a puppy - I had a couple of
> > puppies there a while ago and they were surprisingly stocky in the
> > width of the bones - seem very similar - I particularly remember
> > the 'cone-shaped point' on the distal ends of the ulnae. I have a
> > pup in my collection but it is new-born so very small and hard to
> > compare with a photo.
> > Hope this helps
> > Fiona
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Jonny Geber <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Wed, June 16, 2010 12:43:57 PM
> > Subject: [ZOOARCH] Mystery bones
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> >
> > If anyone would have the time and will to have a look at some
> > photos of mystery bones, from a 17th/18th century deposit from
> > Dublin , Ireland , I'd be very happy!
> >
> >
> > They are juvenile bones, I can't figure out from which animal.
> >
> >
> > You can find the photos on the Zooarchaeology network site:
> >
> >
> > http://zooarchaeology.ning.com/photo/photo/listForContributor?
> > screenName=1n7loyopzedn6
> >
> >
> > Thanks a million!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jonny Geber
> > Osteologist
> >
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